There's also all that don't eat shellfish or pork stuff from way back.

Maybe 2000 years from now they'll be worshipping a guy named Singer, and fending off challenging new arguments from people who can demonstrate that plants suffer, and are therefore sentient.

The future belongs to those who can evolve into a silicon-based lifeform. It's going to take a long time before anyone argues that sand should be spared our cruelty.

This is just an overall comment on this whole dialogue regarding vegan/animal welfare/conscious/sustainiable eating --

I'm new to this blog and have been following this discussion with great interest. I know from comments that there have been anger/frustrations/knee-jerk reactions but there has also been some really insightful kickass discussion which I appreciate.

I've found this inspiring and although I already try make sustainable, compassionate choices, I want to do better--and have found some new (to me) sources of information.

So thanks for bringing this all out into the light of day with some thoughtfulness, and for those who have managed to be open-minded (and hearted) through all of this. I know I've benfitted from it, and I'm sure others have as well.

P.S. sorry for the typos. blame it on the excellent (and fabulous) local wine I'm having....

It's an interesting article, but in some places painful to read, because I'd bet anything the author enjoys their meat. This is evidenced in a couple of casual arguments - a steak from New Zealand better than organic green beans you only drove five miles for? This after mentioning the UN's estimate that 18% of the global warming load was from livestock? Plus, the obsession with Hitler, which continues the fallacy that if bad people follow a good doctrine, that somehow taints the doctrine.

However, an interesting read which makes me want to get the book.

My personal favorite historical vegetarians are Leonardo da Vinci and Gandhi. Interestingly, though I don't believe he was a vegetarian himself, Einstein advocated for vegetarianism as one of the best things humanity could do to better the world.

Hope you liked Van Hahn. It's not my personal favorite in town, but it is good, honest, well-priced food. You really need to get over to Paradox sometime, though. Diner food!

Make sure to get in touch about the shopping thing before mid-week, and let me know if you need any other recipes, etc. for another week of veganism.

- Jen

How old are you? Twelve?

Allow me to put in a plug for an amazing website that was invaluable to me when I decided to cut nearly all processed foods from my diet: World's Healthiest Foods.