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Wednesday, June 6, 2007

Portland Rose Parade Tape isn’t “Fair”

Posted by Amy J. Ruiz on Wed, Jun 6 at 7:52 AM

Speaking of Randy Leonard—who’s earned a new nickname around here, City Commissioner of the Week!—I was thrilled to see him on the evening news last night, lambasting the prevalence of taped up sidewalks in the days leading up to June 9’s Grand Floral Parade. Leonard noted that it’s “not fair” that short little kids, and people who show up the morning of the parade (like himself) find themselves shoved to the back of the sidewalk—pushed back by lawn chair wielding Greshamites who think their blue tape means they own a patch of public concrete.

The TV reporter—who likely broke some ancient Portland code of ethics by peeling up a corner of someone’s magical tape as a visual aid for her report—said Leonard will bring up the issue before next year’s parade. Meanwhile KATU’s got a rolicking viewer debate going on—with most comments opposed to the taping, like this gem:

My view is if I sit down and it happens to be taped off too bad. I have just as much of a right to sit there as anyone who might have “thought” it was claimed. What are the idiots gonna do about it?

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Comments

I agree that it is unfair and I don't remember the practice when I was a kid. If you wanted a good spot you got your butt down there early and sat. They ought to send out a crew at 3 AM and pull up all the tape, erase the chalk and toss the chairs in a dumpster. People have no right to "reserve" public property. Maybe also if people started ignoring these bogus reservations the practice would end.

All the more reason to ignore parades as a general rule.

Read more about it coming out in today's Mercury, but be sure to join the MERCURY CIVIC CLEAN-UP CREW on Friday night for a tape pull-up, and lawn chair rustling party!

I'm so down... for one I don't really like parades (left over hatred from childhood marching band) but second and more importantly I hate those fucks who put down this tape.

Awesome

pfft!

I have no interest in the Rose Festival but I love the tape thing. It's awesome.

Also, Clean & Safe cleans it up downtown, but on the eastside it languishes until the rain starts. I've already pulled up two dozen or so spots, and I intend to do more. Too bad I'm going to be out of town Friday night, though.

Where are the sit/lie goons when we need them? Morbidly obese families from the Grove are just as much a danger to our city's vaunted livability as greasy kids with dogs. Batons out, everybody--it's time to clean up the streets.

Are we serious about pulling up tape?

Let's set it up. Y'all can count me in!

The Rose festival, as a permitted event, is exempt from sit/lie law.

Count me in or tape pulling. Schmucks!

Move the tape back two feet, and then gather up all the homeless with their kazoos and plop them down in front of all the horrified soccer moms for the whole parade...

The Rose Festival should move to Gresham. Think about it, that would solve all these problems.

Yeah, but Gresham sucks... so, bad idea.

I don't think there is anything wrong with taping out your spot!

If you want a good spot then get your butt down there early enough to reserve your spot too.

If I show up Saturday morning and someone is in my spot that I went out of my way to save early... there will be trouble!

AND if I see anyone pulling up tape. They will feel my wrath!

Quit your wining a crying and reserve your own spot.

It's NOT your property to reserve jackass. I get my butt down there early to get a spot, only to have Khaki warriors guarding their lines with string cheese sticks.

I really hope your tape get's pulled

We have six kids that love seeing the parade every year. We are not going to take the kids down there hours before the parade. You know how hard it is to keep kids sitting in one place waiting for a parade? YES, I am going to reserve my spot you piece of s__t.

until there is a city ordinance people should respect the taped off areas! If the ordinance gets passed then fine. But to pull up someones tape is just a rude thing to do. There are going to be a lot of upset kids Saturday morning because of you mean hearted people. I have been going to the Rose Parade for 40 years and sitting in the same spot. You people are just jealous because you didn't think ahead!

Im glad for all of you that have been going all these years, but if you want "your" spot, head down very early and set up shop and plant your ass there until the parade is over. When we get there, if we find a nice spot, were setting up and sitting down, and because we are Portlanders, we will save room in front of us for any kids that want a front row seat. Tape is trash and will be handled accordingly. The streets and sidewalks are public property, you dont pay taxes on your taped spot, so its not rightfully yours. No one is whining on this page except those that fear their tape wont be there Saturday morning at 9:30 when they arrive. Most importantly, think of those that have to drive from far away really early....and the kids, everyone should have a fair chance!

This is really sad that you people are going to disregard the tape. If any fights happen I hope that Commissioner Randy Leonard is held accountable.

By the way THANKS Commissioner Leonard and all of you tape pullers for taking the fun out of the parade and making it something people are scared to go to now.

SHAME ON YOU!

As one of those people who marks my spot a week in advance (I also rip up my own tape), I feel like this is a part of the Rose Festival tradition.My family has had the same spot for the Grand Floral parade for 9 years, and for the Starlight Parade for over 20, because we care enough to go down and save or mark a spot. I am a single parent and I live in Northeast Portland where I grew up. The children in our family, All 30+ of them take pride when riding down MLK and saying there is our parade spot, and recalling parade memories anytime we ride past that spot. The children know that we have taken the time out to mark the spot and to check every couple of days to make sure that no one has attempted to take "our spot". They wake up at 5 am and sometimes don't sleep at all in order to get down to the parade before some rogue comes and attempts to move in. There have been times when rude people come and attempt to move in and sit in front of our children and they are nicely asked to move from in front of children, and then when they reply rudely, they are responded to rudely too. We have had a guy go and tell the police that we wouldn't let him sit on a public street, and the officer said "hey it's a tradition, you need to move out of their way." There have been other times when a person has nicely said "Hey it's just me and my daughter or grandchildren, would you mind if we squeezed in right here? And they are nicely welcomed into our parade family, offered a juice box, some string cheese and given access to the bubbles and sidewalk chalk. There have been times when family members did not show up by 8 am and we downsize our area to allow a family from out of town to have a space. A lot of it has to do with traditions and common respect. We can all work together to ensure that all children and adults get to enjoy the parade. There are reserved seating areas near the convention center and coliseum for those who don't want to participate in the tradition.

To all you taper's with a 30 year tradition. When is it my turn to start my tradition in your spot? What if I show up two weeks in advance and tape up the whole parade route? Are you going to honor it? At what time is the offical time to start taping?
Get over it, part of the fun of going to a parade is geting there early. Drinking coffee... Kids playing games... Watching movies ... Playing nintendo ... Meeting the people, who sit down next to you.
I have a hard time thinking you have any right because you have tape, to walk up to me and ask me to move. I will not move and you will do nothing. One because I am bigger than you, two because it is illegal to assult or touch anyone, three because if you touch me, I will defend myself, and after I am finished I will call the police, and an ambulance so they can take you away. Pretty stupid in front of your "children".
By the way what do you tell your kids, it is fair to show up and ask someone to move off a public street. Which hey have been sitting on for 4 hours waiting for the parade to start, becuse you put some tape on the side walk? Why not just put your name on it and paint it blue since you think your are entitled to the same spot every year. When do I get the good spot? When is it time for my little girl to stand up in front and get off my shoulders (70 lbs.). She is seven, was born during Rose Festival week and has never stood up front. We spend hundreds of dollars at the festival center, going at least 3 times in tens days. How much do you taper's spend? How about they just start selling the good spots to the people who can afford it? This would be just as unfair, and I was not serious, just wanted to hear you moan. See you at the parade:)

Pig humpers. Tapers are pig humpers.

So people want others to get down there early to save a spot..how early? Say I get there at 3:00am, I get to claim space? Then maybe I should camp out, but the city usually has an issue with that- for things like anti-war rallies and Dignity Village at least. I think they used to do this with concert tickets, then folks didn't like people spending the night so they issued wrist bands. So if we think it through, we should wrist band the parade...but then as people point out, it is PUBLIC sidewalk, what right does a wrist band give someone to "own" the sidewalk or street? Do we even want our city government spending time writing rules about parade attendance- I know many people in the city have an issue with having to get parade permits from the city much less having rules on how to watch the parade. So does it come down to might equals right?
The new sit-lie ordinance makes it illegal to sit on the sidewalk anyway (but I don't think it's illegal to sit in the street yet, as long as you're not blocking traffic), but there is probably an exemption for parades.

Or does it make more sense to just let it be treat each other respectfully.

I don't care, I'll go and sit early; I'll tape; when my kids are bigger, I'll camp with them. But then again, if it's raining I probably won't go.

Whoopy ding-dong folks. People are being killed in Darfur, sleeping on our streets and dying for lack of medical care.

"But that was my spot!! WAAAHHHHHHH!!"

I live 50 miles away from Portland and don't have an opportunity to get there to plaster the same streets that all public taxes go to maintain with my own tape prior to the parade. So I shouldn't have the same rights as someone else because they have a whole litter of kids they don't want to actually "watch" and interact with for three straight hours? The city streets are not granted to others because they have kids; boo hoo, boo hoo.....suck it up and live with it!!!! I am pulling tape whether others like it or not, just because the sob story of having kids for which others REFUSE to watch is truly heartbreaking (NOT), forcing others like my family to have to leave 10 hours early, does not give you the right to stake claim to public property!!!! Watch it on TV, or show some respect and quit acting so arrogant by thinking a piece of tape gives you property rights to public property. Maybe I'll tape off a square on the front yards of all lazy parents and sleep there whenever I feel like it. After all, those folks obviously approve of such behavior and belive it is a God given right for all!

I've been to the parade a few times, got there only 2 hours before and saw everything there is to see, no need for taping....and all that for what anyway? so you can get a better view of miss PGE? lame.

I get off work about 1A.M. who wants to get together and pull tape and steal lawn chairs?

Thanks a lot to the Mercury and Whatshisface Leonard for making a big deal out of nothing. I'll bet most of the people planning to rip up our tape don't even go to the parade. If this was such a bad thing why didn't y'all start ripping years ago. I guess some people just like to have fun at other's expense.

You might see us and our two babies sleeping in our tent downtown tonight. Hopefully we don't puked on by any drunk teenagers.

I think it's illegal to camp on the street, but we'll have to take our chances since our tape is probably gone by now.

So, are y'all gonna rip up all the corporate tape, too. Cause I think Columbia Sportswear and the Hilton Hotel will be pretty upset to put it mildly.

My daughter made a sign that says "MY FAMILY CARES ENOUGH TO MARK A SPOT FOR MY COUSINS AND I"

quote; Thanks a lot to the Mercury and Whatshisface Leonard for making a big deal out of nothing. I'll bet most of the people planning to rip up our tape don't even go to the parade. If this was such a bad thing why didn't y'all start ripping years ago. I guess some people just like to have fun at other's expense.

You might see us and our two babies sleeping in our tent downtown tonight. Hopefully we don't puked on by any drunk teenagers.

I think it's illegal to camp on the street, but we'll have to take our chances since our tape is probably gone by now.

So, are y'all gonna rip up all the corporate tape, too. Cause I think Columbia Sportswear and the Hilton Hotel will be pretty upset to put it mildly.


i think its getting done this year because someone stood up and said its wrong, you wanna save your spot,camp over night just like the people do that buy tickets or see movies,its your choice to do so but it isnt your choice to save a spot so i cant stand there, step up and do the right thing,stop your bitching.

My daughter made a sign that says "MY FAMILY CARES ENOUGH TO MARK A SPOT FOR MY COUSINS AND I." Those of you who don't want to tape or camp, watch the frickin parade on TV. Then you don't have to be bothered with the children either. I spend several hundred dollars at the festival center and another 150 or so on snacks and toys and games for parade day. I have met the people who sit next to me found out that they have a grandaughter with the same name as my daughter, shared napkins when they forgot theirs. Shared sidewalk chalk and bubbles too.

I just moved here a few months ago and saw a report about this taping issue so I decided it check it out online. What kind of crap is this? Is this just a Portland thing? I remember back in my home state (Montana) there were a few people who would stake out spots with lawn chairs or their cars, but since very few people did it no one really cared. It would not be tolerated if people got carried away and "reserved" most of the parade route.
I'm a low key guy so if I bother going to the parade I probably won't "steal" (steal, like you paid for that spot) some loser's reserved spot. But I'm not going to feel sorry if I'm at the parade and I hear someone demanding their spot back from a person who arrived early. I may even back up the early-bird up and say, "I've been here for two hours and I didn't see any tape."
And for all you people claiming this is going to cause violence, I agree. But I don't think it will be the tape puller throwing the first punch, it'll be the self-involved suburban dad who shows up 20 minutes before the parade and finds "his spot" taken. Why would the tape puller be upset, he arrived early and got a good spot?

I forgot to add that while I think this taping tradition is stupid, we probably have a lot of stupid traditions in Montana too (insert sheep joke here you clever comedians). In fact, I probably should just keep my out-of-state mouth shut, but still if you're interested in an outsider's perspective here you have it!

The "tradition" of littering public streets with duct tape and dilapidated lawn furniture needs to end. Unoccupied spots along the parade route are fair game - tape or no tape. Get there early if you want to save a spot.

Taping! This could be the most selfish and stupid thing I have ever heard of. I love Portland, it's my favorite city and I have lived all over the country.
Those of you who think you have to tape off a part of it to get your "peice of the pie" really don't understand this place and should move. Some time in another city might teach you a few things about how generous, helpful and communal Portlanders are. Go live in L.A. or New york.

Taping! This could be the most selfish and stupid thing I have ever heard of. I love Portland, it's my favorite city and I have lived all over the country.
Those of you who think you have to tape off a part of it to get your "peice of the pie" really don't understand this place and should move. Some time in another city might teach you a few things about how generous, helpful and communal Portlanders are. Go live in L.A. or New york.

Taping! This could be the most selfish and stupid thing I have ever heard of. I love Portland, it's my favorite city and I have lived all over the country.
Those of you who think you have to tape off a part of it to get your "peice of the pie" really don't understand this place and should move. Some time in another city might teach you a few things about how generous, helpful and communal Portlanders are. Go live in L.A. or New york.

Taping! This could be the most selfish and stupid thing I have ever heard of. I love Portland, it's my favorite city and I have lived all over the country.
Those of you who think you have to tape off a part of it to get your "peice of the pie" really don't understand this place and should move. Some time in another city might teach you a few things about how generous, helpful and communal Portlanders are. Go live in L.A. or New york.

sorry I didn't post that 4 times, it kinda freaked out, but makes me look like a moron who can't use a message board. : )

I think we all learned queue theory in kindergarten-no cuts, no holding a spot. Now that we have grown up it is okay to hold a spot for whomever had to park the car (ONE person). The concept of taping is self-centered and rude: you spend five minutes days in advance and that trumps me getting there hours early. No, not how things work. My time is just as valuable as yours, you are not special, you are lazy and inconsiderate. And as for those with kids, what exactly are you teaching them?
Seriously, are dumber than a five-year-old? The world doesn't revolve around you. If you want a spot there is a price to be paid with your time. No cuts, no dibs.

This taping business is an embarrassment to Portland.

Burning crosses and Shanghai'ing drunks was also a Portland tradition. Some "traditions" need an expiration date.

There is absolutely no possible defense to marking up the city street and calling that "your land". That may have worked on the Native Americans 200 years ago, but that don't fly now.

I waited in line for Star Wars, I waited in line for a Wii. No one taped up the sidewalk at those events. Why? Because it is asenine.

Three cheers to the Mercury for going and pulling up tape tonight. I hope you get it all, and Portland can return to having a normal and fun parade.

And to the guy with six kids...hey, YOU go down there at six a.m. with 8 chairs. No one will fault you. But to think you and your family can just show up at whatever time you want and DEMAND you RESERVED area is nothing short of elementary school level politics.
"Give us our ball back!"

This year people started selling "reserved spots" on Craig's List. Is that not enough to say it has gone too far?

On the news tonight they declared that "the entire parade route had been marked off". And I saw two people pulling up tape to "remark" their area that someone else had "stolen". "It's for my family" she said.
The area she and her friend were marking off was about 6 foot by 15 feet. Unless there are 50 people in her "family" that is just plain excessive.

WAKE UP Portland. The taping ends at Year 100~

I've lived in Portland for 7 years now. Before that, I lived in many different cities and countries. Nowhere else have I seen taping a sidewalk to hold a spot for any kind of event thought of as a given right. Ever since I first saw the parade, I wondered how people could justify being so lazy that 5 minutes of putting down tape gives them a right to a spot more than a person arriving 3+ hours before the parade. Let's extend that tradition to Blues Festival and tape up parts of the park so we have a place to sit. Or maybe we will go to the zoo tomorrow and put down some tape to reserve our spot for the concerts in the zoo. Next week sounds like a good time to go down to the waterfront and tape my sport of the 4th of July fireworks.
Personally I think parades are boring and will not be heading to downtown to watch or pull up tape. There's been plenty of warning, I just hope those of you that taped your spaces get down early to claim the area where they were. You know they are gone now.

Again, CHEERS to the MERCURY. KATU reported they had 40 or 50 people pulling up tape and cleaning up the streets. Some poor woman and her infant who are camping out (I hope that 6-month-old has a memorable experience) said "It was really scary!" I guess these are the types of people that get excited about parades.

There was no need to pull up tape of people who were camping, but at the same time, people who were camping no longer needed the tape...unless they thought they had a right to a "buffer-zone" arounf them.

You are all dumb for liking parades. Dorks. why don't you all get lives. Dummies.

This is for all of you presumptuous, lazy, self-absorbed, self-centered, self-entitled Paris Hiltonish idiots who tape their spots.
I went down to the parade at 7:45am on Saturday, found a nice spot, had breakfast with my son, had coffee, threw the football around with him and other kids who were there that early (and didn't have a taped private spot), and we had fun. I talked with the people around me, and all was right. If you are unable to drag your fat asses out of bed, and spend time with your family and friends, then stay home. Those of you who camped out to save your spot: good for you! I've thought about doing that, and may do it next year. You have earned your spot. Everyone else can suck it up and get your great spot by getting there first and staying there! I had a great time playing with my son, and watching the parade. You might want to try it sometime.

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