i think it would be fair to withhold judgment on this guy until more facts come out. a favor everybody on her blog comments section is clearly not willing to give.

i know it looks bad for him, but not everything is always as it seems, as they say.

give me a fucking break. are you saying those bruises are self inflicted?

way to completely simplify what i was saying and miss the point, mark.

i'm saying it looks bad for him, and most likely he's guilty as charged.

i have nothing to say any differently. and i don't know either one of these people from a cloud in the sky.

but just the way people flock towards believing what one party of a fight says is disturbing to me.

and are those bruises self-inflicted?

that wasn't was i was saying, either. but if you're gonna use that logic, i guess he's a victim too, because he certainly didn't bite himself.

although i ultimately understand why, it somehow saddens me that this is considered music news. it just seems inappropriately invasive and exploitative & unnecessarily sensational to me.

Ryan
For the most part, I totally agree with you. I heard about this on Saturday, but delayed posting it since it seemed like it was none of my fucking business. But ultimately, it is news, as fucked up and invasive as that sounds.

I assume that is because the alleged act itself was so horrible, since I doubt if he was arrested for a DUI, or possession of a bag of weed, we'd cover that. Not sure, but it just seems that way.

ezra

Damn right it's news, Ezra. It's a big story, thanks for posting.

I'm a fan of the judicial system as much as the next man, and at this point, her allegations remain allegations. But if he's found guilty, may he rot.

The police arrested both of them. In my experience, when traveling in company, one person doesn't get shitfaced in a hotel room, both people get shitfaced in a hotel room. I'm just saying. Pretty soon to pass judgement when one of them doesn't have a computer to blog to the world about the other. If Marty gets out and says he was just messed up on B-12 and lidocaine then we can lynch him.

Maybe she got those bruises from hitting him. None of us know for sure but it's always the man's fault, isn't it? It's not like models have been know to throw cell phones a people's heads or anything.

You don't need to be a CSI genius to take the given evidence (he has BITE MARKS, she has bloody KNUCKLES and bruised ARMS) and piece together something like this... she goes ballistic with the fists, he grabs her arms to stop the assault, she bites him because he won't let go. She doesn't appear to have bruising anywhere but the arms. That speaks volumes... well, that and the fact that she posts all of this immediately after the incident on her journal - not using a bit of dire tone, but with her lame 'ironically witty' pros. This is D list Britney Spears wannabe crap.

That she needs the sympathy of her LiveJournal audience is, in my opinion, a damning thing.

It is an interesting phenonmenon: An alleged victim "breaks" investigative details of a crime on a blog, before the cops have time to do any investigation of their own.

Everyone seems to be implying she's a loose cannon, too. Would someone please provide an intrusive and definitive answer to who's in the wrong?

Assume I spelt phenomenon correctly. I'm using Safari and it doesn't have a spell check.

Let's say Lars and Mrs. Lars Larson are involved in a domestic violence incident that ends with Lars being arrested. What do you think the reaction would be?

"although i ultimately understand why, it somehow saddens me that this is considered news. it just seems inappropriately invasive and exploitative & unnecessarily sensational to me."

"I heard about this on Saturday, but delayed posting it since it seemed like it was none of my fucking business. But ultimately, it is news, as fucked up and invasive as that sounds."

"Maybe she got those bruises from hitting him. None of us know for sure but it's always the man's fault, isn't it?"

"You don't need to be a CSI genius to take the given evidence (he has BITE MARKS, she has bloody KNUCKLES and bruised ARMS) and piece together something like this... she goes ballistic with the fists, he grabs her arms to stop the assault, she bites him because he won't let go. She doesn't appear to have bruising anywhere but the arms. That speaks volumes..."

Yeah, we don't have all the facts and shouldn't draw any firm conclusions about Marty. But everyone here seems ready to draw them about Elyse.

I like the Shins as well as anyone, but I suspect that if Ike Turner was one of the darlings of the Northwest music scene, that bitch Tina would've been asking for it.

Oh, Hipster Snap!

Nobody was asking for anything. They're both idiots for being involved. Nobody here is saying anything is 100% this way or that way, we're just looking at the article above and saying that this one sided account doesn't add up. Wait for the trial and I guarantee fault will reside with both of these morons.

Funkster:
Regardless of who's to blame or your inability as a complete outsider who doesn't know either of these people (just guessing on that one) to "say anything 100%" obviously one of them injured the other and someone had to defend themselves. Yes, we don't know who was who yet (that's for judges and such to decide) but to call the person that was being attacked and had to defend themselves an "idiot for being involved" is ignorant to say the least.
ALSO- I believe on her livejournal, Elyse said she was driving and he was drinking and so she was sober when they reached the hotel and shit went down. Not that it's an unbiased account of events but just sayin'...

It seems to be like everyone's just saying "that bitch deserved it."

Poor girl.

i don't think people seem to be saying that at all.

I'm certainly not saying that. However, you seem to be saying, "Poor girl." In fact, that's exactly what you're saying and it brilliantly illustrates my point that people tend to default to the "guilty man" position in domestic violence cases. While the majority involve male on female violence, there are plenty of case where the opposite is true. The fact is you don't know who hit who but are more than willing to assume she's the victim. Mr. Crandall has yet to blog his version of the story.

G: You're implying she deserved it, mate. Sorry.

No, I'm not. If those bruises were the result of her trying to hit him, perhaps she did. If they were inflicted by him or were the result of her trying to defend herself then, no, she didn't. The fact is neither of us know exactly what transpired.

My original comment was meant as a commentary about how we've come to view domestic violence (i.e.: It's the man's fault). Here we have a case where two people were arrested on domestic violence and you're saying, "Poor girl."

I'm not saying poor anyone until I know what happened. For all I know they were beating each other.

"You're implying she deserved it, mate. Sorry."

I'm not seeing this, Matt. Would you mind point to the text and extrapolating just how he's implying what you're accusing him of implying?

"My original comment was meant as a commentary about how we've come to view domestic violence (i.e.: It's the man's fault)."

Sure it was. Next to the pics of the girl's banged up arm. I refer y'all to comment #13, which says it all.

Matt-

Your comment was directed at G. Do you want to try again, this time using posts 8, 19, & 21 as support?

also, Matt-

The person with the banged-up arm is a woman. In a situation with this much reckless conjecture, it really isn't doing anyone any good to refer to her as a "girl". colloquialisms aside, it's emotionally loaded language in a case like this.

As someone who had an ex-gf try to stab him as a result of a verbal argument where my worst sin was insulting her sister (no cusswords - just said she was really mean) the idea that men are the only ones to fly off the handle and go crazy on the woman is simply not true.

I always thought that crazy stabby crap only happened with Tanya Harding/Camas types.

Alot of woman have tempers. Bad ones. And they dont hesitate from punching a guy but because of cultural training and because generally they dont cause true harm to the normally larger man the incident goes unreported.

I have no idea what happened here and neither do any of you.

I dated a very sane girl until she got 3 or 8 vodka sodas in her. Sometimes she was really sweet and other times she wasn't. Those times involved kicking, hitting, scratching, jumping out of moving cars, etc...

I can bet she ended up with a few bruises on her arms from hitting my elbows while she was trying to land a punch and I was covering my head.

I'm not saying this happened in this case but don't pass judgement until you hear both sides, or rather the court hears both sides.

Who knows what happened? Leave that to the authorities. However I do know this - Once upon a time in college when I was young and stupid, I got shit faced drunk and tried to beat the hell out of my boyfriend (my 6'2" 250 pound boyfriend). I threw a few punches and managed to hit him nicely in the jaw at one point knocking him back even, kicked him a hell of a lot, and basically went ballistic with my fists. To his credit (he was sober), all he did was try to restrain me. Still a 6'2 guy trying to restrain a pissed off thrashing 5'4" girl, yes, it did cause big bruises all over my arms (way worse than the photos included in this post). Still, it was summer and my bruises were apparent in t-shirts and tank tops. Everyone just assumed he beat me up which was not true.

Don't pass judgment one way or another is all I'm saying. You just don't know what happened in that hotel room, despite what one person involved might post on her blog.

Domestic violence sucks that way. Most of the time men are the perpetrators yes, but sometimes not.

In all fairness, that chick has got to be about 90lbs. She probobly bruises with casual contact. The SHINS suck though, so he should be shot.

Some women deserve to get beat and this might be one of them.

Only a liberal portland faggot would sweat this shit.

Women....natures punching bag. Now I kinda like the Shins.

Portland IS full of a bunch of hippster faggots that don't know how to party. And PBR suck's!!

HAMMS!!!

ok, merc. comments like 30 are the places where matt should be stepping in and taking people to task. I recall some comments from Wm. Stephen Humphrey about hate speech not flying around here. Irony or no, can we get this noxious shit struck from the record?

Im with 30, alot of women need to learn how to respect the fist. besides, that cunt posted that shit on livejournal. WTF kind of needy slag needs that much attention. I might sound like an arsehole but oh well, it's freedom of speech. Portland is known to be more liberal, so im glad to see that theres people who don't give a damn

Hamms sucks just as much as PBR. I prefer Miller Highlife

When was the arrest? When was that photo taken? Do the math .

And further more what woman (or man) would post on a blog "single and ready to mingle" after being abused? Sorry but this girl is digging her grave. Funny how people like this take them selves down.

Elyse has stated on her livejournal that writing about her busy life as a model is something she enjoys very much. I think she understands that while her blog is not private, most people who read it are not looking for dirt. Breaking up with boyfriend of seven years is rough enough, but under such traumatic circumstances, how do you cope? Elyse wrote about it to de-stress, I would assume, in a blog she's maintained for several years with many devoted readers. She also deleted her post.

She refused to press charges against Marty, though he pressed charges against her for the bite marks. I believe both cases were dismissed for insufficient evidence. Let's leave it at that.