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Thursday, January 31, 2008

News Portland’s First Vegan Strip Club?!?!

Posted by Matt Davis on Thu, Jan 31 at 10:26 AM

This has to be a joke, right? I mean, you fucking people are kidding me, aren’t you? Do you actually WANT the rest of the nation to think we have our heads so far up our sustainable asses that we can’t spell “hypocrisy” because we’re distracted by the squeaking noise of our plastic shoes? casadiablo.jpg
VEGAN STRIP CLUB? Whole-heartedly Portland…

Here’s the press release:

WORLD’S FIRST VEGAN STRIP CLUB OPENS IN PORTLAND, OREGON

Portland, OR (PRWEB) January 30, 2008 — Portland, known for its alternative counter culture and by some considered the most vegan friendly city in the United States now has a new vegan offering, adult entertainment. Casa Diablo Gentlemen’s club opens Friday, February 1st, 2008. Casa Diablo is owned and operated by Johnny Diablo an ethical vegan for over 23 years. Casa Diablo is unique because it is the only venue of its type that serves food and drink 100% free of any animal products. Vegan and vegetarian dancers have flocked to Casa Diablo for auditions since hearing of the new club. When one dancer was asked why she didn’t want to work at her current club she said,” I can’t stand the smell of smoldering rotting carcasses when I walk by the kitchen. It is totally gross. I’ve been a vegan for three and a half years and I can’t stand the thought of working in a place that serves murder victims on a bun. Working at a club like Casa Diablo Gentlemen’s Club is my dream!”

I can’t believe how stupid this is. Vegan strip clubs. Shit. If I have to go to a strip club, give me an honest cheap steak at the Acropolis. Vegan strip clubs!? Jesus H.Christ. I’ve tried to tone down my response and sound balanced, but my only feeling is, somebody has to be yanking my chain. This can’t be a serious press release. I called the owner, Johnny Diablo, to get his side of the story, but his cellphone rang off. Steve: I want to go, and I want to write a feature about it. Can I? Please? Please?

Comments

Do all vegan bras fit so poorly? Seriously, that thing is like two sizes two small for her.

Or, you know, you could hold off on your wildly misplaced indignation... and just not go to the place.

BTW: What, exactly, is the cognitive dissonance you're experiencing over a vegan strip club? How are those ideas somehow mutually exclusive and, therefore, hypocritical? Vegans can't enjoy looking at naked people? Why does looking at naked people require the consumption of animal products? I get that "strippers and steaks" go hand in hand in many people's minds, but do they need to?

Oh, wait, did your wife make you write this post?

This is the Pirates Tavern, re-purposed with boobies, right?

From the club's myspace page, on their philosophy:

We do things a little differently around here... Creatures, human and non-human, should be allowed to do what ever they want as long as they don't step on someone else's hooves. In this Universe that is virtually impossible but we mean to change all that ... eventually. In the meantime during our battle with God while we are trying to save all creatures from pain and suffering why not come down and have a look see. Casa Diablo Gentlemen's Club brings you the finest exotic dancers from around the world giving you a healthy dose of cruelty free pleasure ... because we can.

Yet how much you want to bet they allow smoking? Second hand smoke steps on my hooves, and causes pain and suffering.

nerdburger, let me guess: You're a vegan bicyclist who smokes?

Matt, the last thing I want to do is add to this ridiculous post, but this is totally not a big deal.

Lots of strip clubs have weird little quirks. Doesn't Safari have live piranhas? Wasn't Sandy Jug (before it switched over) a strip bar shaped like a giant fucking jug?

Maybe it's just me, but eating anything—from chicken strips to tofu sloppy joes—at a strip bar seems a little gross.

"Maybe it's just me, but eating anything—from chicken strips to tofu sloppy joes—at a strip bar seems a little gross."

Ezra wins.

"Maybe it's just me, but eating anything—from chicken strips to tofu sloppy joes—at a strip bar seems a little gross."

I second that!

ezra: I appreciate your comment. Because you're one of the few vegans I know who isn't former Mercury news editor Scott Moore, and I trust your judgment.

Live pirhanas are fine. A strip club shaped like a jug is fine. Because neither quirk could claim to be ethical in nature.

It's like saying "we're an ivory importer that doesn't discriminate on the basis of age."

Or: "We're a nonprofit casino." Actually, that's kind of a good idea.

Or: "We're a solar-powered gas station."

It's ridiculous.


nothing says sexxx like flatulence and the poos. i don't know if i'm commenting on eating steak or vegan food, though. maybe just the whole eating-and-looking-at-naked-ladies-in-public thing in general.

ah, and nerd burger, i would argue that treating women as fuck things is less ethical than drinking milk.

Where the HELL is the gay vegan strip club I ask you? I wanna see some full frontal carrots and turnips in my face PRONTO!!!

what a silly display of misplaced rage. get a life.

This is one weird post y'all. How anyone can think past boobs and booze at a strip club is beyond me. Some of them do have some really good food, but not most of them, so I almost always eat before or after. I don't go to strip clubs for ethics... how retarded, it defeats the purpose. Damn.

matt, some time soon you're gonna need to start explaining why strip clubs CAN'T be run ethically...

Believe me, Colton. We would much rather see his rage placed here.

I hear you though Matt. People would probably find it strange if Food Fight started selling Playboys, cigarettes and liquor…

I don't know that they would, dls. That's the irony.

"Any person that is going to give money to this kind of establishment is contributing to the exploitation of women. And it leads to other things.”

Finally, a market for Natalie Portman's vegan hooker shoes! http://blogtown.portlandmercury.com/2008/01/natalie_portmans_vegan_shoes.php

do vegans swallow? i've been meaning to write dan savage...

anybody here remember the salad bar at the acropolis? it was genius. it was probably yanked out of some Wendy's. Nothing says SEXY like peering through a sneeze card at sliced beets within a few feet of the rack. good times, great oldies

So... I'm wondering if ALL of their booze is going to be vegan. Are they going to make sure that no isenglass was used in the manufacture of their drinks? If they're gonna hang their shingle on being vegan, then fucking be vegan. Don't half-ass that shit.

first of all, you need to realize who you are dealing with.
the owner of the now defunct pirate's tavern.
the dude is pretty much insane.

all of his past ventures have been flops.
he's a bad businessman...but pretty good at being a douchebag.
his turn-over rate for his employees speaks volumes.
there were plenty of complaints of "johnny diablo" using racist/sexist/anti-Semitic remarks that came from those who dined and worked there.
pretty much anyone that had the misfortune of eating at pirate's tavern (vegan or not) can tell you that he and his business were terrible.
the majority of the portland vegan community doesn't support this guy...and hasn't for a LONG time.
which definitely added to the demise of pirate's tavern.
i mean the only crowd he was drawing was middle aged, non-vegan, "keep portland weird!" folks who don't take any time off when it comes to pretending to be pirates...
and need some booze to forget about their non-pirate reality.
well those, and the people who REALLY like to spend 12 dollars on a pile of alfredo sauce (booty sauce as "johnny diablo" likes to call it) with chopped up boca burger on top and a bottom half of a enriched white hamburger bun poorly disguised as "garlic toast".

pirates tavern was the laughing stock of portland eateries. and when he announced that he was gonna turn it into a sports bar, no one was all that surprised. and then the casa diablo thing came up...we all just laughed harder.

i feel bad for all the girls that plan on working there. they have high hopes, but i'm sure the horrible turn-over rate will continue...as will the complaints of the owner.

just look/read over the myspace profile:

http://www.myspace.com/casadiablo

look at the dude! talk about skeezy. oh, and don't worry...if he deletes or makes his pictures private, i saved them. so i'll post links to them later if that happens.

the blogs he writes EASILY show that he has issues.
i mean this dude actually started a RELIGION based on the concept that EVERYONE WILL BE VEGAN IN THE FUTURE....whether they like it or not!
the name of it escapes me... he used to run a website for it. not sure if it's still active.

what it comes down to is: his restaurant(s) in LA failed, his portland ones ARE failing and will continue to do so.
it's just a matter of time before he takes his craziness/douchebaggery/non-talent ass to a new city.


I totally commented about this club on the Blogtown earlier this week and no one noticed? The post about Dan Savage using the Merc staff and readers for free research? About strip clubs? Hello?

...and I actually think they are going to be smoke-free.

Pirate's Tavern sucked because the food sucked, it was expensive, and the pirate fetish is 3x tarded. But if there were boobies... Yeah, that might make the awful Alfredo perk right up. (No, I don't call my little pirate "awful Alfredo." Not any more, anyway.)

Yeah, this indignant rant is pretty bizarre. The only way it would make sense is if "vegan" meant woo-woo tree fondling, look-down-your-nose ethical purity per some manifesto in the (nutjob) PETA vault written in squid ink on the tanned hide of Colonel Sanders. Sorry to burst any prejudiced, pigeonholing folks' bubbles, but it doesn't. It's not eating meat or eggs and hold the cow squeezin's. That's all.

Lots of vegans enjoy football, boobies, junk food, and beer (or soccer, boobies, junk food, and pot, as the case may be) without weeping buckets for the pig who gave its skin so the armored pituitary cases could have a ball.

It's not like the strip club owners will be cooking the dancers. (Or are they? If they are, then that's way not vegan, by anybody's definition.)

There's no disconnect between wanting to see hot women be carnally hotacious and skipping the chile con carne.

boobs boobs boobs - I wanna see some soy boobs!

boobs boobs boobs - I wanna see some soy boobs!

Evidently you do, mars. Evidently you do.

I don't really care much about boobs or steak. I did however check out that Myspace page and I'm sorry but in my book, veganism and crappy 80s heavy metal hair guitar solos are mutually exclusive.

Because exploiting animals is wrong, but exploiting women is completely ok.

Two comments:

One - Vegans DO swallow, at least when with other Vegans.

Two - "Me" says "Because exploiting animals is wrong, but exploiting women is completely ok."

ONE of these creatures has a *choice* in the matter and I'll bet you it's not Henrietta the chicken. Many women do this because they like it, or at least they like the money.

As long as Captain Diablo or whatever his name is is not kidnapping women and forcing them to strip against their will, then there is no real exploitation. If anything, the women with the tips have exploited the high testosterone levels of the patrons. However, as long as everyone goes home happy then I see no harm done.

Ah yes, freedom of choice. It's a tricky one, that.

I'd respond by saying that plenty of cows go to slaughter because they enjoy it. Or at least, the farmer enjoys the money.

But I can't be bothered.

if you can't be bothered to respond, Matt, please just stop posting.

"ah, and nerd burger, i would argue that treating women as fuck things is less ethical than drinking milk."

at least the strippers walk away with their lives.

Just throwing this in the whole 'but strippers are choosing to objectify themselves' debate, it's estimated that 60-90% of all women involved in prostitution, pornography and stripping were at one point raped or repeatably sexually abused. So, yes, some women make a conscious, unbiased choice about working in this profession, but the chances that this is the woman dancing naked in front of you are less than one in three. Just saying.

If I have to go to a strip club...

Ummm... color me puzzled. Why does anyone HAVE to go to a strip club ?

Sv- I'm all for pulling statistics out of one's bunghole, but could you at least settle on a number? "60-90%??" Any poll or study ending up with such a wide range can't be taken seriously, and anybody who's just making stuff up but can't narrow their fake statistics down to +/-5% isn't really trying.

I assumed they'd be dancing to Moby and Fiona Apple, but when I went to Casa Diablo's website, it was playing Guns 'n Roses.

That's not very vegan.

I'm a dancer who will be working at Casa Diablo tomorrow and enjoying the vegan food. I was most certainly NOT raped or abused and I enjoy dancing and the freedom it offers so I can pursue my own interests instead of slaving 60+ hours a week to make some corporate sleazebag richer. I don't see what's wrong with vegan food in a strip club since no one goes for the food anyway. I look forward to a more objective review from the Mercury after this weekend!

I'm a dancer who will be working at Casa Diablo tomorrow and enjoying the vegan food. I was most certainly NOT raped or abused and I enjoy dancing and the freedom it offers so I can pursue my own interests instead of slaving 60+ hours a week to make some corporate sleazebag richer. I don't see what's wrong with vegan food in a strip club since no one goes for the food anyway. I look forward to a more objective review from the Mercury after this weekend!

Matt Davis, you're a douche. There is no hypocrisy in a vegan strip club. The hypocrisy is manufactured by you, because you're obviously against strippers and strip clubs and the people who own them. Whatever, that's a close minded opinion. There are plenty of people in Portland that might enjoy a non-smoking strip club. Like the other dancer said the food is secondary. Lighten up, seriously. I think someone is in need of a lap dance.

You obviously hate vegans and you obviously have a bourgey hatred for strippers. Pretty lame in my opinion. As a stripper, I think attitudes like yours are annoying. I'd actually rather you just stay home. Have fun looking down your nose at all of us, though.

For fucks sake people, who cares? Seriously.

There are boobies, who's owners are consenting adults. Isn't that the whole point of a strip club?

There is food, which doesn't come from dead animals, and that can only be a good thing, right?

Lets all keep moving right along.

"and if you need a vegan perspective on the new place, I'd happily come along for the ride."

Matt's wife won't let him go to a strip club.

I can’t believe how stupid this is. Vegan strip clubs. Shit. If I have to go to a strip club, give me an honest cheap steak at the Acropolis. Vegan strip clubs!? Jesus H.Christ.

You just answered your own question, hon. If I have to go to a strip club, I'd like to eat something to, you know?
Just think of it as a vegan restaurant with adult entertainment and stop acting all butt hurt about the whole thing.

PS No one is forcing you to go to the vegan strip club either. You're acting like you are being forced.

Jesus Christ. I'm a vegan.

PS No one is forcing you to go to the vegan strip club either. You're acting like you are being forced.

Jesus Christ. I'm a vegan and I would like a nice friendly food place where I can look at boobs too.

"I'd respond by saying that plenty of cows go to slaughter because they enjoy it."

So womens' moral agency is on par with that of a cow, Matt? Between this and the infantilizing "girl" nonsense in the shins-gate posts, you've spouted some pretty ugly, misogynistic bullshit in the name of protecting these "girls".

It would be interesting (and also totally surprising) to see you actually respond to poster's criticism of your consistently unexamined (and totally offensive) views.

You lot are all wankers. Thanks for commenting.

Good day.

racist.

I think it is a great idea. I love vegan food and I love naked women. :-) All under one roof - I am so there!

I think a Vegan night club venue is a great idea, no matter what kind of entertainment is offered. In this case one gets a vegan meal with their cheesecake! (BTW Vegan chicks are HOTTTT)

Portland = City with most strip clubs per capita & One of the Top Vegan Friendly City in Nation (minus Matt Davis of course..sorry mate you do often come off as a vegan hater)

Vegan Strip Club in Portland... Makes perfect sense.

Amusing to see the whole argument about a strip club exploiting women. It's the chumps at the rail pounding out dollar after dollar who are more exploited. But look no one is forced to dance or go to a strip club, and making arguments against strip clubs in Portland is like bitching about the Catholic Church in Rome. What's the point?

Hope Johnny can work with his new format to find a winning success.


The center of veganism, or i should say, veganism where the said vegan is not merely concerned with their own self (ex. a vegan for health reasons: not hormones, no chemicals, etc,) seems to center on the objectification of anything animal, not the said killing. that is why vegans are vegan and not vegetarian, am i right?

so with that logic, strip clubs don't fit in with the ethics of veganism at all, regardless of if they serve animals or not.

I don't go to strip clubs to eat so I couldn't care either way. :/

Uh, Phil, only if your logic precludes that whole pesky theory that women have freedom of choice and some women don't view dancing as objectifying. I guess your view rules that out, though. Dumb ass.

That chick looks pregnant. Hey ladies, that's not an attractive way to stand... you look pregnant, or fat, and with big thighs and back-of-bra bulges like that, you look fat all over.

It's probably pretty easy to be vegan when you're preggers... you can't eat anything except unsalted rice boiled in the purest of water and maybe some soy broth, er "milk", once every few weeks, anyway. Nothing is ever pure enough or fresh enough, so it's easy to snipe away at others.

I suspect this strip club is just a place where preggers chicks go to make a last desperate buck before they get bloated, stretched, and saggy.

"...it was playing Guns 'n Roses. That's not very vegan."

Well, at least it wasn't Ted Nugent.

As a Portlander, vegan, woman and former employee of "Johnny's Pirates Tavern". I think it is very fitting of his personality that he own a strip club. I will not be a regular there, but I will check it out. I am alright with women doing whatever they chose with their bodies and not that I will eat there, but YAY for a vegan joint being open until 2:30AM! There needs to be more of that going on in this city!

Even if a woman chooses to strip it doesn't make the act any less objectifying; merely thinking of something in a certain way does not make it that way.

Argue against me logically, objectification has nothing to do with the freedom of choice.

So if some women don't view dancing as objectifying and that makes it okay, consider this scenario: What if some black people didn't think Jim Crow laws were a problem and actively enjoyed using the back entrance. Would that mean that institutionalized racism was okay? It was their choice to use the back door. Stripping reinforces the concept of women as commodity. And to paint the chumps with the dollars as being the victims - please. They are in power. The dancer needs that money to pay the rent, the babysitter, the tuition, whatever. She's working for him.

"at least the strippers walk away with their lives."

If you could call what a stripper has a life. :\

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