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…says a letter to the editor:
The other day I was reading in the Willamette Week about a new vegan strip joint opening up, bank rolled by the owner of the failed Pirates Tavern. As an ex-employee, I can attest to this man misogyny. I just had no idea it’d come to this. Anyway this is an excerpt of a letter i sent to him.Just two things, Brian: 1.The Willamette Week did indeed send a reporter down there, probably after reading about the club here. And 2. You’re probably right.Veganism in itself refuses to exploit animals for our pleasure. So, the contrast between this type of pornography and said lifestyle choice is obviously black and white. While I’m not in opposition to the sex industry, this hypocrisy of vehemently refusing to use animals as object yet viewing women as them is offensive.
What I see is a direct correlation between the consumption of meat and patriarchy. Think of a butcher shop in comparison to the way males in our society picture women, and how our language is used to objectify them. We live in a society that institutionalizes animals i.e. markets, zoos, laboratories and circuses. Can anyone see the comparison?
I believe veganism to be an important choice in the goal of disassembling patriarchy. So I ask: isn’t this taking us back a step?Brian Perkel
NE Portland
Now, readers. Here’s that disgusting, exploitative flier for the club, once again, in case anybody has forgotten how thoroughly depraved it was:
VEGAN STRIP CLUB FLIER: Absolutely unconscionable…
Methinks Brian needs to get some fast.
Matt, if you're gonna continue spouting this inane bullshit, how about you actually start by responding to reader objections from the last round? I'll refresh your memory with one example:
Matt Davis: "I'd respond by saying that plenty of cows go to slaughter because they enjoy it."
Me: "So womens' moral agency is on par with that of a cow, Matt? Between this and the infantilizing "girl" nonsense in the shins-gate posts, you've spouted some pretty ugly, misogynistic bullshit in the name of protecting these "girls"."
Man, I love me some titties.
Objectifying bodies is not a necessary piece of the patriarchy. It's association is merely contingent.
Objectifying bodies is not a necessary piece of the patriarchy. Its association is merely contingent.
f: Blow me.
Matt, I must commend you on some first class trolling!
yeah, brilliant Matt. I guess discourse is off the table around here.
All I can hear is "wee wee wee wee wee," f.
Man I love me some titties.
i wish the vegan part was BIGGER on the flyer:
http://www.underconsideration.com/MaketheLogoBigger.mp3
Make the VEGAN big
Make the VEGAN bigger!
Make the VEGAN big
Make the VEGAN bigger!
Make the VEGAN as big as you can!
I'm not trying to tell you how to do your job...
but can you make the VEGAN bigger
Me too, schting. Me too.
I want me some RAW FOOD strip club cuisine. Please?! Can I get some of that TOO?!
I think a strip club/sushi bar would be intriguing...if I were into strip clubs...or sushi
Is this just another way for vegans to make feel inferior?
VEGAN STRIP CLUB FLIER: Absolutely unconscionable…
But...
"...killing a sheep is easy.
With seven willing volunteers to hold it down, all that remains is to puncture its neck like a football with a sharp knife, poke around a bit, and then holler for a largish bowl to catch all the blood." : Absolutely conscionable?
http://www.portlandmercury.com/portland/Content?oid=100051&category=34029
and i hadn't noticed that mrs. skinner shared this by line. nice work dear.
Vegan strip clubs is about as Portland as Portland gets; you still don't seem to understand this town Matt.
You can't tell me that rice and beans alone are responsible for that beautiful body.
A vegan strip club will never work because vegans are too busy bickering and self congratulating to enjoy someone else's body. Besides, who goes to a strip club to eat?
Thanks, Matt Davis. Because of your bitchin', a lot of folks have come into Casa Diablo to check it out. Cha-ching!
Blow me.
Matt Davis is obviously baiting here. It takes a whole heap of misunderstanding (and often spite) to suggest that the whole vegan population should consider strip clubs to be morally reprehensible in order to be fully consistent in their worldview (thus his unyielding implications that vegans are self-righteous hypocrites). This is a logically wild assumption. Plenty of us vegans love hot naked chicks and the accompanying fantasy.
At the very least, this bitter hack has had some material to write about for a few days and has given Casa Diablo some good publicity in the process.
I refuse to spend one thin dime in strip clubs, or on pornography, for that matter, as a pure matter of ethics. The whole thing feels retarded as well as degrading, to me, that is. I mean, why pay someone to pretend that they want to have sex with you, when you can just pay someone to have sex with you ?
Thing is, I'm simply just not much of a "John"...PDX is full of them, though, and that's good, because I make lots of money off of them, too.
But I might just have to work in a free toss sometime today at that pretty girl's hot, objectified body in the advert...
Thanks for the free wank material, Mercury and Casa Diablo !
I'm confused are the strippers vegan? If they are, does that mean they are skinny? Is this a fetish thing? Just lay the whole deal out for dolts like me.
Exactly what's "disgusting, exploitative" or "thoroughly depraved" about the flier? I'm confused. Anyway, who wants to bet poor Matt got rejected by a stripper and that's the source of all this vitriol?
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Methinks Brian is just a big pussy.