Wednesday, January 21, 2009
City Hall / Media / Politics / Portland Tribune Calls For Adams' Resignation
Posted by Matt Davis on Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 9:58 AM
This is a moment when Portland should be joining fully in this nation’s energized optimism for a new kind of politics, a new type of leader and hope for a better future.Instead, Portland residents once again find themselves deeply disappointed by the inappropriate and dishonest actions of a local leader — actions that ought to lead to the immediate resignation of Mayor Sam Adams.
Read the whole thing over there.
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I think he's toast. I wouldn't have guessed it even yesterday. But today, I think he's toast.
It's too bad. I didn't vote for him, but less than a month into the job, to blow it all up, is pretty sad.
I know some people who work in his office and naturally have a lot of faith and investment in "their guy." They could be suddenly looking for a whole new career a month after he started the top job that they all worked so hard to help him win. Sad.
It's too bad. I didn't vote for him, but less than a month into the job, to blow it all up, is pretty sad.
I know some people who work in his office and naturally have a lot of faith and investment in "their guy." They could be suddenly looking for a whole new career a month after he started the top job that they all worked so hard to help him win. Sad.
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Unless criminal charges are pressed for the possible age thing, then I could not care less. It's the Clinton thing all over again; politicians lie, biological organisms fuck, and people feel the need to be fire and brimstone when one of the aforementioned facts come up. I voted for someone to do a job. As with all sex politics in general, it's none of my damn business.
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If every politician who slept with an 18 year old and lied about it resigned, we'd be really short on politicians. I think we need to move on and let the man do what we elected him to do.
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The fucking Willamette Week and everybody else who jumped on this story should be ashamed of themselves. Sam, like Clinton, was forced by this society's bizarre attitudes towards sex to lie about something that should never have been an issue in the first place. And now we might lose one of the brightest, most committed leaders Portland could hope to have, not to mention the first openly gay mayor in America's history. Because the _Willy_ Week, lacking journalistic integrity, has to keep slurring people and stirring shit up.
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Nigel Jaquoff is a big fat garbage digger. He is an insatiable monster seagull with a kiestered pulitzer and the WW is the lining of his filthy cage.
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Egads. I'm starting to think he's toast too ... and in a city that takes such pride in its sexual freedom (by US standards, anyhow). I wonder if that 65% of people asking for his resignation at the O is representative of the whole city.
Good luck, Sam. That was a pretty big fucking lie though.
Good luck, Sam. That was a pretty big fucking lie though.
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Character and judgement and morality are 100% fair-game in politics. As a voter, I reserve the right to judge candidates on everything I know about them. Tough, but true.
Blaming Willamette Week is just blaming the messenger. The problem was the lying (not just lying but getting others involved and coaching a young man to lie as well).
Bitch about reporters all you want, but at the end of the day no one is responsible for that behavior other than Adams.
Blaming Willamette Week is just blaming the messenger. The problem was the lying (not just lying but getting others involved and coaching a young man to lie as well).
Bitch about reporters all you want, but at the end of the day no one is responsible for that behavior other than Adams.
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The opinion polls being done are useless if they extend beyond far-more-tolerant-than-the-rest-of-the-state Portland city limits. People living in Hillsboro etc don't get to chose the mayor, and aren't represented by him. So anything on the Snoregonian website, or the local news ones, is a waste of space.
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"I wonder if that 65% of people asking for his resignation at the O is representative of the whole city."
I have no doubt that it is. People get caught up in their subcultures here and forget they live in the middle of a standard American city. It's filled with middle-class, middle-age households. (Households which have 17 and 18 year-old children for instance.)
This blog is in no way representative of the majority of Portland, Oregon. (Which is why I find it so hilarious and infuriating to read.)
I have no doubt that it is. People get caught up in their subcultures here and forget they live in the middle of a standard American city. It's filled with middle-class, middle-age households. (Households which have 17 and 18 year-old children for instance.)
This blog is in no way representative of the majority of Portland, Oregon. (Which is why I find it so hilarious and infuriating to read.)
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No I mean "children."
Folks, the all important LETTER OF THE LAW aside, 18 year olds are not actually adults. They're kids. They have sex, true - as do even younger kids. But their still kids.
When I was 18 years old, I thought I had it all figured out just like everyone does at that age, but I didn't know my head from my ass.
These are the facts: The 42-year-old Adams met this kid when he was 17, hung around, "mentored" him, showed up at his 18th birthday party (eeeeew), and then had him over for a sex weekend a couple of weeks later.
Then he lied repeatedly about it, and he and his political consultants coached the kid on how to lie about it.
I'm glad you guys are all very enlightened Portland types, proud of your new gay mayor. But the behavior I just described is *creepy* and unethical. Gay or straight. It's fucking creepy.
And we can judge political leaders on their character. There is no legal standard that must be met. We can just decide that we don't want the guy to be leading us anymore because he's a slimeball.
Folks, the all important LETTER OF THE LAW aside, 18 year olds are not actually adults. They're kids. They have sex, true - as do even younger kids. But their still kids.
When I was 18 years old, I thought I had it all figured out just like everyone does at that age, but I didn't know my head from my ass.
These are the facts: The 42-year-old Adams met this kid when he was 17, hung around, "mentored" him, showed up at his 18th birthday party (eeeeew), and then had him over for a sex weekend a couple of weeks later.
Then he lied repeatedly about it, and he and his political consultants coached the kid on how to lie about it.
I'm glad you guys are all very enlightened Portland types, proud of your new gay mayor. But the behavior I just described is *creepy* and unethical. Gay or straight. It's fucking creepy.
And we can judge political leaders on their character. There is no legal standard that must be met. We can just decide that we don't want the guy to be leading us anymore because he's a slimeball.
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Blabby;
You might want to check, but I think you still don't know your head from your ass. 18 year-olds play pro ball, lead symphonies, and kill for their country. Let's not treat them all like they are in diapers.
You might want to check, but I think you still don't know your head from your ass. 18 year-olds play pro ball, lead symphonies, and kill for their country. Let's not treat them all like they are in diapers.
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@Blabby
In your fantasy land of, "the all important LETTER OF THE LAW aside", what prevents me from punching you in the dick?
The rest of your rants are all stupid, like you.
I'm going ad hominem against you, because real logic doesn't seem to work with you. You just willfully ignore facts and make up things to suit yourself.
In your fantasy land of, "the all important LETTER OF THE LAW aside", what prevents me from punching you in the dick?
The rest of your rants are all stupid, like you.
I'm going ad hominem against you, because real logic doesn't seem to work with you. You just willfully ignore facts and make up things to suit yourself.
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Is all of Portland this prudish about sex? I live in Seattle and most of us find it bizarre that this is even an issue. Imagine if people in San Francisco held these types of attitudes when Harvey Milk was running for office in the 70's.
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I voted for Sam, and I would like to continue to see him as Portland's Mayor. The trouble for me on this is looking at it from a different perspective which is: How would I feel about this situation if Sam had lost and there were a conservative Mayor in his place whom had just admitted to lying about having sex with an 18 year old person?
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"I'm going ad hominem against you, because real logic doesn't seem to work with you. You just willfully ignore facts and make up things to suit yourself."
What facts am I ignoring and what am I making up?
You wouldn't punch me the dick, because A) men don't hit other men in the dick, and B) you're a pussy.
What facts am I ignoring and what am I making up?
You wouldn't punch me the dick, because A) men don't hit other men in the dick, and B) you're a pussy.
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The Sam defenders need to ask themselves what is he afraid of to admit so much publicly? (so far)
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I have a suspicion the 'two consenting adults' line of argument may not hold up much longer.
No proof, just a suspicion.
No proof, just a suspicion.
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"18 year olds are not actually adults"
I'm 'fraid it's true, SPK. You'll understand when you are wizened as I.
I'm 'fraid it's true, SPK. You'll understand when you are wizened as I.
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"You wouldn't punch me the dick, because A) men don't hit other men in the dick, and B) you're a pussy."
Ha! Nice one! And you were fucking on in your earlier comment about lots of people here surrounding themselves with like-minded folks and forgetting that most of the city isn't the same.
@jrrrl:
Just don't get it.
Ha! Nice one! And you were fucking on in your earlier comment about lots of people here surrounding themselves with like-minded folks and forgetting that most of the city isn't the same.
@jrrrl:
Just don't get it.
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@Blabby
"You wouldn't punch me the dick, because A) men don't hit other men in the dick"
"What facts am I ignoring and what am I making up?"
A)JCVD punches a man in the dick in the movie Bloodsport.
B)"Punch in the dick" is a well known phrase that doesn't actually constitute actual violence
C)You are wrong.
So onto other things that you're wrong about. Sam Adams has done nothing impeachable. We can not institute a recall vote for a minimum of 6 months. You are ignoring legal defintions in favor of definitions that you've made up.
You know what you're over. Until you get actual real world facts, you've lost any semblence of credibility.
"You wouldn't punch me the dick, because A) men don't hit other men in the dick"
"What facts am I ignoring and what am I making up?"
A)JCVD punches a man in the dick in the movie Bloodsport.
B)"Punch in the dick" is a well known phrase that doesn't actually constitute actual violence
C)You are wrong.
So onto other things that you're wrong about. Sam Adams has done nothing impeachable. We can not institute a recall vote for a minimum of 6 months. You are ignoring legal defintions in favor of definitions that you've made up.
You know what you're over. Until you get actual real world facts, you've lost any semblence of credibility.
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It's unproven whether he's done anything impeachable. Not even sure who impeaches someone on a local level.... The rest of the council?
Anyway, I know there can't be a recall for 6 months, but it will take that long to organize anyway, so we should start talking about it now.
I have to repeat that "legal definitions" aren't necessarily the definitions that matter here. The public can vote for a person, or to recall a person, for all kinds of issues that don't have to do with illegal behavior.
Voters can recall him because we've seen enough to be concerned about his character. It doesn't matter if he actually broke a law or not.
Anyway, I know there can't be a recall for 6 months, but it will take that long to organize anyway, so we should start talking about it now.
I have to repeat that "legal definitions" aren't necessarily the definitions that matter here. The public can vote for a person, or to recall a person, for all kinds of issues that don't have to do with illegal behavior.
Voters can recall him because we've seen enough to be concerned about his character. It doesn't matter if he actually broke a law or not.
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Kiala. Um. I've stated it a few different ways now.
I'll just give it another go (all together now):
It doesn't matter if he broke the law. A violation of public trust, and demonstration of a flawed character is enough to recall him.
And no, I'm not saying that what matters is "my" personal "law". I'm saying let's have a vote to recall him if he doesn't resign. We'll see if the city agrees with me or with you guys.
(Spoiler alert: they'll agree with me.)
I'll just give it another go (all together now):
It doesn't matter if he broke the law. A violation of public trust, and demonstration of a flawed character is enough to recall him.
And no, I'm not saying that what matters is "my" personal "law". I'm saying let's have a vote to recall him if he doesn't resign. We'll see if the city agrees with me or with you guys.
(Spoiler alert: they'll agree with me.)
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I'm not sure I want to live in a city that believes a mayor's sex life is part of their purview.
Oh wait. I don't live in one.
Oh wait. I don't live in one.
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I know for a fact I don't want to live in a city where the mayor coaches teens to lie about their sex life.
And lies to the media.
And don't forget that the mayor's sex life is being investigated for possible child sex abuse.
And lies to the media.
And don't forget that the mayor's sex life is being investigated for possible child sex abuse.
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The man was 18 years old. He is responsible for his own actions.
If someone asked him to shoot someone, and he did it I'm fairly certain the jury wouldn't let him off on a "Well, someone asked me to shoot that person" plea.
I watch a lot of Law and Order so I know I'm right about this.
If someone asked him to shoot someone, and he did it I'm fairly certain the jury wouldn't let him off on a "Well, someone asked me to shoot that person" plea.
I watch a lot of Law and Order so I know I'm right about this.
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The mayor's sex life is being investigated for possible second degree child sex abuse.
This is a fact.
This is a fact.
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Blabby -
A. I think it's shitty when the Merc reporters / readers post under assumed names. It's your opinion - why are you so afraid to stand up for it?
2. "Public Trust" - ??? - It's none of my business who he fucks and who he doesn't - and its none of yours either. Show me where in the Oregon Constitution where it defines the notion of "Public Trust" then show me where it tells you how you know when you've violated it. He may have violated YOUR trust, but that's a totally different issue.
3. It's OK to admit you're wrong. Your arguments aren't holding up - just read this thread for confirmation of that fact. It's OK - you fucked up - you're completely full of shit right now. It's OK... we forgive you, just admit it. Clinging to these bullshit arguments make you look stupid and you're not - you're just misguided
4. You look like these people right now, just FYI:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD97OVJ4PNw
Kisses,
Dane Hesseldahl
A. I think it's shitty when the Merc reporters / readers post under assumed names. It's your opinion - why are you so afraid to stand up for it?
2. "Public Trust" - ??? - It's none of my business who he fucks and who he doesn't - and its none of yours either. Show me where in the Oregon Constitution where it defines the notion of "Public Trust" then show me where it tells you how you know when you've violated it. He may have violated YOUR trust, but that's a totally different issue.
3. It's OK to admit you're wrong. Your arguments aren't holding up - just read this thread for confirmation of that fact. It's OK - you fucked up - you're completely full of shit right now. It's OK... we forgive you, just admit it. Clinging to these bullshit arguments make you look stupid and you're not - you're just misguided
4. You look like these people right now, just FYI:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD97OVJ4PNw
Kisses,
Dane Hesseldahl
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D -
I'm not even gonna give you a hard time... Given what I can glean about you from your comments - I'm just proud of you for (sort-of) putting the words together so that they (almost) mean something!
Good job buddy!
I'm not even gonna give you a hard time... Given what I can glean about you from your comments - I'm just proud of you for (sort-of) putting the words together so that they (almost) mean something!
Good job buddy!
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Dane,
A. Unlike the motley collection of bike messengers, 14-year-old hipsters, and drooling perverts who post on Blogtown, I have an adult job and professional life, and therefore I don't post under my real name. I don't give a crap if you know my name. I give a crap if google finds my posts.
2. "Public Trust" This one is really not penetrating the thick skulls around here. The "public trust" issue isn't the sex, its the LYING, genius. See if you can follow this: When people lie, it is hard to trust them. And getting other people to lie - even worse for a public figure.
3. A little education in rhetoric: "You're arguments aren't holding up" isn't an actual argument. It doesn't identify any specific statement that I've made, nor does it prove how that statement was wrong. It's just lazy argumentation on your part.
4. I don't follow bullshit links from other posters. I'm not that interested in what you think is a quality "burn".
Sincerely,
Blabby
A. Unlike the motley collection of bike messengers, 14-year-old hipsters, and drooling perverts who post on Blogtown, I have an adult job and professional life, and therefore I don't post under my real name. I don't give a crap if you know my name. I give a crap if google finds my posts.
2. "Public Trust" This one is really not penetrating the thick skulls around here. The "public trust" issue isn't the sex, its the LYING, genius. See if you can follow this: When people lie, it is hard to trust them. And getting other people to lie - even worse for a public figure.
3. A little education in rhetoric: "You're arguments aren't holding up" isn't an actual argument. It doesn't identify any specific statement that I've made, nor does it prove how that statement was wrong. It's just lazy argumentation on your part.
4. I don't follow bullshit links from other posters. I'm not that interested in what you think is a quality "burn".
Sincerely,
Blabby
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We all have real jobs. Some of us are just unafraid to express our opinions publicly...
because our opinions are correct.
because our opinions are correct.
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I see the mayor's not the only one shocked to discover -- while denying still it -- that in reality, actions have consequences.
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Kiala, if you really want to debate people, debate the facts. Anonymity has nothing to do with Blabby's credibility.
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@A cat
Blabby's lack of credibility is mainly due to his lack of using standards that are defined somewhere other than my himself.
He constantly says, "XYZ means ABC because I say so."
When someone responds with "No, actually ORS 123.456 says that XYZ means CBA."
Blabby says, "No, you're wrong and stupid because I say so."
Thus proving Blabby's lack of credibilty. Ta-Da!
Blabby's lack of credibility is mainly due to his lack of using standards that are defined somewhere other than my himself.
He constantly says, "XYZ means ABC because I say so."
When someone responds with "No, actually ORS 123.456 says that XYZ means CBA."
Blabby says, "No, you're wrong and stupid because I say so."
Thus proving Blabby's lack of credibilty. Ta-Da!
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Blabby,
Hi! How's it going?
Man, your job must SUCK!
I too have a professional job and a reputation to uphold. I guess I'm just not worried how my clients might react when they read what I've written, and if it's a problem - then that's most likely someone I wouldn't have wanted to work with anyway.
Just a difference in lifestyle is all.
Have fun with your gossip and your hate mongering!
Hi! How's it going?
Man, your job must SUCK!
I too have a professional job and a reputation to uphold. I guess I'm just not worried how my clients might react when they read what I've written, and if it's a problem - then that's most likely someone I wouldn't have wanted to work with anyway.
Just a difference in lifestyle is all.
Have fun with your gossip and your hate mongering!
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My hate mongering?
Oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh!!!
You guys think I'm homophobic! Is that what this is about? Wow. I invite anyone to read through anything I've posted in the last two days and find something that's homophobic.
Oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh!!!
You guys think I'm homophobic! Is that what this is about? Wow. I invite anyone to read through anything I've posted in the last two days and find something that's homophobic.
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Actually, how you feel about homosexuality is none of my business.
Just like what Sam Adams does in his own home, in his own time in none of yours.
Just like what Sam Adams does in his own home, in his own time in none of yours.
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Graham, I think Blabby is just as much a moron as everyone else. I just get pissy when people pretend to be "debating issues" and then pull out such spurious shit as "oh, why don't you use your real name, big man?" It's fucking embarassing.
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It's this simple:
Is what Adams did illegal?
If yes, than Adams did something wrong and should be brought up on charges. We all agree we don't want a politician who breaks the law.
If no, than we all need to shut the fuck up. There is no way to tell the press "it's none of your fucking business" without implying guilt. This shit could have affected his chance for election and, given that it isn't any of our business in the first place, he lied.
If I was in his position, I'd do the same thing.
He wasn't under oath. He wasn't legally compelled to tell the truth in this situation. It's a tragedy we put him in a situation where he needed to lie to protect the privacy we afford everyone else in Portland. Just because he's in politics, doesn't give us the right to pry into his personal life. We pry, but should we?
If you asked your employee if they had sex with another consenting adult, and they lied to protect their privacy, do we really have grounds to fire them, or is none of our goddamned business?
This is what Blabby wants: to fire an employee for trying to protect his privacy.
Is what Adams did illegal?
If yes, than Adams did something wrong and should be brought up on charges. We all agree we don't want a politician who breaks the law.
If no, than we all need to shut the fuck up. There is no way to tell the press "it's none of your fucking business" without implying guilt. This shit could have affected his chance for election and, given that it isn't any of our business in the first place, he lied.
If I was in his position, I'd do the same thing.
He wasn't under oath. He wasn't legally compelled to tell the truth in this situation. It's a tragedy we put him in a situation where he needed to lie to protect the privacy we afford everyone else in Portland. Just because he's in politics, doesn't give us the right to pry into his personal life. We pry, but should we?
If you asked your employee if they had sex with another consenting adult, and they lied to protect their privacy, do we really have grounds to fire them, or is none of our goddamned business?
This is what Blabby wants: to fire an employee for trying to protect his privacy.
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I will post it again. $500 to anyone says it comes out he effed a minor.
Five hundred smackers.
You could wait until you prove me wrong.
Five hundred smackers.
You could wait until you prove me wrong.
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Secondly - none of us are under the same scrutiny. We're NOT IN A PUBLIC POSITION like MAYOR, you syncophants.
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I cannot pretend for one minute to know, let alone feel indignant, about the private affairs of consenting lovers. This is a play for media storm, and I do believe there are deeper truths at play, whatever the case may be.
It's quite a stretch to say that any of this casts little more than a faint shadow upon a career of political substance. Shall Mayor Adams be perversely vindicated in an apparent anticipation of torches and pitchforks raised against his supposedly corrupting influence as a gay man? The hype is mere stigma.
Holding politicians accountable is not a matter of dragging representatives off pedestals; nay, it is of calling them to the duty of consistently doing our bidding to the best of their abilities. The election is over; the work of governance is what matters, especially in these tricky times.
Scapegoating is the transparent leverage of political distraction. There's no place in government for the moral determinism of churches or weak journalism.
It's quite a stretch to say that any of this casts little more than a faint shadow upon a career of political substance. Shall Mayor Adams be perversely vindicated in an apparent anticipation of torches and pitchforks raised against his supposedly corrupting influence as a gay man? The hype is mere stigma.
Holding politicians accountable is not a matter of dragging representatives off pedestals; nay, it is of calling them to the duty of consistently doing our bidding to the best of their abilities. The election is over; the work of governance is what matters, especially in these tricky times.
Scapegoating is the transparent leverage of political distraction. There's no place in government for the moral determinism of churches or weak journalism.
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D, if you believe Adams' resignation is contingent upon whether or not Breedlove is a minor, than you need to shut your face. We believe a person is innocent until proven guilty, and unless you have some information we don't already have, then drop it.
If you believe the problem was that he lied about it, then you need to examine the media, not Adams. We have no right to pry into his personal life. If I were him, I'd do the same thing, because the phrase "that's none of your damn business" implies guilt. Not answering the question implies guilt. There is no other response besides the one he gave that wouldn't also imply guilt.
This is an important point, D, so you should read carefully. Just because he's a politician, doesn't mean he doesn't have a right to privacy. Just because he's politician, doesn't mean he should be under any more scrutiny for his choices in sexual partners than you or I. You have the right to judge him, but the question is, are you justified in doing so?
It's that simple, D. At this point in time, you have no more information than I do about the situation. So, until more comes up, the internet would appreciate it if you'd shut your hole.
If you believe the problem was that he lied about it, then you need to examine the media, not Adams. We have no right to pry into his personal life. If I were him, I'd do the same thing, because the phrase "that's none of your damn business" implies guilt. Not answering the question implies guilt. There is no other response besides the one he gave that wouldn't also imply guilt.
This is an important point, D, so you should read carefully. Just because he's a politician, doesn't mean he doesn't have a right to privacy. Just because he's politician, doesn't mean he should be under any more scrutiny for his choices in sexual partners than you or I. You have the right to judge him, but the question is, are you justified in doing so?
It's that simple, D. At this point in time, you have no more information than I do about the situation. So, until more comes up, the internet would appreciate it if you'd shut your hole.
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Dane: "Actually, how you feel about homosexuality is none of my business."
Then why did you just call me a hate monger?
Then why did you just call me a hate monger?
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"Graham, I think Blabby is just as much a moron as everyone else."
I'm the only one applying any sort of logic to this situation!
I'm the only one applying any sort of logic to this situation!
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"Just because he's politician, doesn't mean he should be under any more scrutiny for his choices in sexual partners than you or I."
Unfortunately, it just doesn't work out that way. Politicians are judged by voters from every angle, from what tie their wearing to how they conduct their personal lives. If you want to be Mayor, you have to accept it. It may not be right, but tough.
Unfortunately, it just doesn't work out that way. Politicians are judged by voters from every angle, from what tie their wearing to how they conduct their personal lives. If you want to be Mayor, you have to accept it. It may not be right, but tough.
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Can someone please explain to me how any of this has an effect on his ability to govern? You can draw a picture if you need to.
Sam Adams is just a guy who goes to work in the morning and comes home at night - the fact that he's mayor doesn't make his personal life any of my business, anymore than what you do for a living makes what happens in your bedroom at night a matter of public record.
Just because a reporter CAN ask a question - doesn't mean they SHOULD - but because people like D & Blabby exist in the world - bullshit like is somehow deemed "news" and the rest of us have to deal with their impossibly small minds.
Sam Adams is just a guy who goes to work in the morning and comes home at night - the fact that he's mayor doesn't make his personal life any of my business, anymore than what you do for a living makes what happens in your bedroom at night a matter of public record.
Just because a reporter CAN ask a question - doesn't mean they SHOULD - but because people like D & Blabby exist in the world - bullshit like is somehow deemed "news" and the rest of us have to deal with their impossibly small minds.
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Blabby said:
" ... If you want to be Mayor, you have to accept it. It may not be right, but tough."
The "logic" that you are using is tragically flawed. What you're saying is that morality can be applied on a case-by-case basis and that it's OK to hold Mayor Adams accountable but not anyone else.
Using your "logic" I can make a case against recycling, puppies and sunshine-y days.
Here's the bottom line: The fact that something makes you uncomfortable doesn't make it OK for you to ruin other people's lives over it. Morality is subjective - and the simple fact that you don't agree with me doesn't make me wrong.
I've yet to see you make single concrete argument. First it was about the "LETTER OF THE LAW" - the we told you it wasn't illegal. Next it was about the "PUBLIC TRUST" - but now you're admitting that it's unfair for public officials to undergo this kind of scrutiny...
What's next?
" ... If you want to be Mayor, you have to accept it. It may not be right, but tough."
The "logic" that you are using is tragically flawed. What you're saying is that morality can be applied on a case-by-case basis and that it's OK to hold Mayor Adams accountable but not anyone else.
Using your "logic" I can make a case against recycling, puppies and sunshine-y days.
Here's the bottom line: The fact that something makes you uncomfortable doesn't make it OK for you to ruin other people's lives over it. Morality is subjective - and the simple fact that you don't agree with me doesn't make me wrong.
I've yet to see you make single concrete argument. First it was about the "LETTER OF THE LAW" - the we told you it wasn't illegal. Next it was about the "PUBLIC TRUST" - but now you're admitting that it's unfair for public officials to undergo this kind of scrutiny...
What's next?
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It is amazing to me that people could care less about integrity anymore. As long as "no one dies" people should be able to lie all they want? Why be upset about the current economic meltdown then? Many lies, lost jobs, corporate bailouts, investments in the toilet, just to name a few. . .but hey, nobody died so I guess it's all okay--right??!!
This isn't even about a "higher standard." I would be appalled by these actions by anyone.
This isn't even about a "higher standard." I would be appalled by these actions by anyone.
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