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Sunday, January 25, 2009

Is Kissing "Sexual Activity"?

Posted by Wm.™ Steven Humphrey on Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 8:10 AM

As reported in the Oregonian, Beau Breedlove has admitted to kissing Sam Adams while he was still 17. Adams said, "I don't remember, but if I did, it was not sexual contact." Both still deny any sexual contact before he turned 18. According to Adams' lawyer Robert Weaver…

"There is nothing that (Breedlove) has said that is inconsistent with what the mayor has said," Weaver said. "The mayor has said there was no sexual activity. Kissing is not sexual activity."

Sounds like a poll to me!

SHOULD KISSING IN THIS CONTEXT BE CONSIDERED "SEXUAL ACTIVITY"?

And while we're on the topic…

HAVE THE "KISSING WHILE 17" REVELATIONS CHANGED YOUR MIND AT ALL ON THE SUBJECT?

There is much to discuss in the comments below.

 

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It's not really an opinion kind of thing. The question is what the legal standard is:


From the Oregon Revised Statutes: [ http://www.leg.state.or.us/ors/163.html ]

163.415 Sexual abuse in the third degree. (1) A person commits the crime of sexual abuse in the third degree if the person subjects another person to sexual contact and:
(a) The victim does not consent to the sexual contact; or
(b) The victim is incapable of consent by reason of being under 18 years of age.
(2) Sexual abuse in the third degree is a Class A misdemeanor

163.305 Definitions. As used in chapter 743, Oregon Laws 1971, unless the context requires otherwise:
(6) "Sexual contact" means any touching of the sexual or other intimate parts of a person or causing such person to touch the sexual or other intimate parts of the actor for the purpose of arousing or gratifying the sexual desire of either party.

And then you have to look at the cases to determine what "intimate parts" are. The following is from State v. MEYROVICH: http://www.publications.ojd.state.or.us/A1…

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The only question presented in defendant's first assignment of error, therefore, is whether the victim's neck qualifies as an "intimate part" so as to establish the element of "sexual contact."

In analyzing that question, we take guidance from State v. Woodley, 306 Or 458, 760 P2d 884 (1988). In that case, to save the statute from fatal vagueness, the court devised a two-step analysis for determining whether, in any particular situation, a body part is to be regarded as "intimate":

"First, because the object of the statute is to protect persons from unwanted intimacies, the part must be regarded as 'intimate' by the person touched. This is a subjective test.

"Second, if an accused touched this part knowing that the touched person regarded it as intimate and did not consent, the accused violates the statute if the requisite sexual purpose is proved. If the accused, regardless of his or her private purpose, did not know that the part was 'intimate' to the person touched, the state must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the accused should have recognized it to be an 'intimate part.' The latter is an objective test.

"In other words, the part must be subjectively intimate to the person touched, and either known by the accused to be so or to be an area of the anatomy that would be objectively known to be intimate by any reasonable person. A court may decide that no reasonable jury could find a particular part of the body to be objectively 'intimate,' but the court may not, in a criminal case, instruct the jury that any part is objectively 'intimate[.]'

"This view of the statute does not eliminate all potential for divergent decisions; on the other hand, it allows for individual, cultural, or generational differences in what areas are deemed intimate."

Id. at 463. In the present case, undisputed evidence supports the conclusion that the subjective element of the test was met; the victim testified that she regarded defendant's actions in putting his mouth on her neck as touching an intimate part. The question therefore resolves to whether defendant knew or should have known that she regarded her neck as an intimate part in the circumstances. The court properly instructed the jury, telling them,

"In order to find that a body part is intimate, you must find beyond a reasonable doubt that [the victim] regarded the part touched as intimate and either: One, the defendant knew that [the victim] regarded that part as intimate; or two, any reasonable person would know that the part touched is intimate."

The jury returned a verdict of guilty. We must accept that finding unless we "decide that no reasonable jury could find a particular part of the body [here, the neck] to be objectively 'intimate.'" Id. at 463.

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If you want to see another interesting application of the "intimate parts" language in the sex abuse statutes, check out State v. Rodriguez in which a 25 y.o. youth counselor got a mandatory prison sentence for hugging a kid (in a way so her breasts touched the 13 y.o. victim) while running her hands through his hair. See: http://www.publications.ojd.state.or.us/A1… She is still in prison.

From the Rodriguez case:
On February 14, 2005, a staff member named Villalobos saw defendant and the victim in the game room at the club. There were approximately 30 to 50 youths and at least one other staff member in the room. The victim, who had since turned 13, was sitting on a chair. Defendant, who had since turned 25, was standing behind him, caressing his face and pulling his head back; the back of his head was pressed against her breasts. Villalobos crossed the room and pointed defendant and the victim out to Malunay, another staff member, who had his back to them. Malunay turned and saw defendant run her hands along the victim's face and through his hair while the back of his head was against her breasts. The contact lasted approximately one minute.

Villalobos later reported the incident to his supervisor, and the police were notified. Defendant was eventually charged with first-degree sexual abuse based on the incident. (1) A jury found defendant guilty.
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Posted by Number Six on January 25, 2009 at 8:49 AM · Report
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Gotta love the "crack reporting" from the Oregonian.
Posted by bd on January 25, 2009 at 8:53 AM · Report
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Hey Number Six! Right, for Sam at this point it is a legal thing. But that doesn't preclude the rest of us from having an opinion about it. Vote!
Posted by Wm. Steven Humphrey on January 25, 2009 at 9:00 AM · Report
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Not to say that people's opinion doesn't matter, WSM. Poll away! I voted in the poll! Hell, I voted twice! (I kid, I kid)

I just wanted to mention the legal standard because the risk of Sam getting charged with a crime will no doubt influence his ability to effectively lead and should be taken into consideration when people make up their mind. The charging decision is a political one though, so opinions do count.

Plus polls are fun! And allow for newspaper editors to make sweeping generalizations about the opinion of their readers!
Posted by Number Six on January 25, 2009 at 9:14 AM · Report
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whos voting "absolutely not"?!
it doesnt really change the way i feel about the situation, but unfortunately, its now legally a problem.
a peck goodbye would not be sexual. a m-o session in the mens bathroom is.
Posted by antithesis on January 25, 2009 at 9:19 AM · Report
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Is it sex? No. Hugging, hand holding and kissing can all be done publicly.

Were we not debating whether bjs count as sex 10 years ago? Weird times we live in.

Now my husband washing dishes, *that* is pure sex.
Posted by penthesilea on January 25, 2009 at 9:26 AM · Report
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Making out in a mens bathroom for about "a minute"????

That is sexual, for fuck's sake. It fits the legal definition of "intent to cause arousal"

No amount of legal parsing can honestly refute this.

Perhaps not a offense that will get him imprisoned, but you've got to be CRAZY if you think a 40 something man who's making out with high school kids in the office bathroom should be Mayor of Portland.

"Penthesilea", how can you justify your position?

Do you really think its ok for any 40-something man to make out with a high school kid??????

In his workplace bathroom, no less????
Posted by unbelievable on January 25, 2009 at 10:18 AM · Report
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Stop focusing on the sex or Sam's personal life. Focus on the issues.

I DON'T care about Adams' personal or sex life.

I DO care that while in public office as a councilman and while running for Mayor he coached other people to lie to the public on his behalf, and lied to his colleagues on Council to have them stand up for him.

I DO care that this might be a legal issue.

I DO care that trust and respect for Adams within the City of Portland is eroding rapidly and that this will make getting Adams' agenda done at the City difficult, if not impossible.

I DO care that Adams has shown incredible lack of leadership this week and instead of putting city work first, has hid at home, has avoided Council meetings, and has shown irrationality and incompetence over any sort of crises or City management. Ditto for his staff who can't seem to pull it together either.

I DO care that he hired Amy Ruiz, who is not qualified to do the job, over other who are. That's a slap in the face to Portland's strong and highly professional planning, policy and sustainability community.

I DO care that Ms. Ruiz did not disclose her job application to her readers while still reporting on City Hall. That's both a journalistic ethics issue and a public sector ethics issue. Once again, that shows lack of qualifications on the part of Ruiz.

And I DO care that Ms. Ruiz does not understand that her actions, such as showing up to a Pro-Sam rally and participating in that rally with Dan Savage (her ex-husband and ex-boss) while waving a digital recorder to encourage the crowd shows a huge lack of understanding on what is becoming behavior in working in a high profile political position. A position paid for by tax payer dollars.

I DO care that Adams' office seems completely incompetent and disorganized. The rookie communications, media relations and PR mistakes made this week from their office is pathetic.

Sadly, Adams and his staff are allowing public trust and respect, and most importantly Council and City agency respect and trust to erode rapidly.




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Posted by ExCityEmployee on January 25, 2009 at 10:34 AM · Report
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This should make the Jon Stewart show if we're lucky.

Portland is finally putting itself on the political map.
Posted by bruce123456 on January 25, 2009 at 10:52 AM · Report
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Nine people were shot last night downtown.

If you're the Mayor, do you respond by:
A) Getting Dan and Rosie on the phone immediately?
B) Drafting an ordinance for the next council meeting to re-create the gang task force?
C) Hiding out in Dick Cheney's secure undisclosed location because you weren't man enough to keep it in your pants?
Posted by fahqueue on January 25, 2009 at 1:30 PM · Report
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Wait.

How is Dan Savage, Amy Ruiz's "ex-husband"?

'splain please.
Posted by kiala on January 25, 2009 at 2:11 PM · Report
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they were married in Seattle as a protest. try to keep up.
Posted by ben on January 25, 2009 at 2:33 PM · Report
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Kiala,

Yes, Amy Ruiz married Dan Savage in a very public ceremony in Seattle that was used as a benefit for a non-profit group. They were legally wed and received a marriage certificate. They chose to let the marriage certificate lapse rather than file it with King County under the deadline. Amy is close to Dan Savage. She has babysat his child and Dan was her boss at the Stranger.

Why does this matter?

It shows that Mr. Savage and Amy Ruiz have a strong personal connection that could be potentially slanting Savage's reporting on this issue.

That is a journalism ethics no-no. It would be proper for Savage to disclose and recuse himself from reporting on this as he has a strong personal connection to someone where the stakes are for her to keep or potentially lose her job.

Dan also shows a strong connection to Sam Adams who hired Amy. Amy might very well have been hired on cronyism and her insider connections to Dan and others, and certainly not due to her experience or qualifications. That is a public ethics, and a potentially legal, no-no.




Posted by ExCityEmployee on January 25, 2009 at 3:01 PM · Report
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This is harder that it may sound on the surface. Does the fact that he is the first openly gay mayor in Portland factor in? Am I biased because I am a member of the LGBT community in Oregon? I don't know...
We will all find out soon what will happen... regardless of what we think.
Posted by bridgeout.wordpress.com on January 25, 2009 at 6:56 PM · Report
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Kiala, you're a fucking idiot. Please keep quiet like the rest of the five year olds.
Posted by A cat on January 25, 2009 at 7:50 PM · Report

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