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Wednesday, March 18, 2009
City Hall / News Recall Sam Adams Spokesman Speaks of Mayor's "Well Documented Political Thuggery."
Posted by Matt Davis on Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 10:18 AM
Jasun Wurster, the volunteer spokesman for RecallSamAdams.Com, spoke to council this morning. 
WURSTER: Pointed critique...
You can read more about the disparate branches of the recall effort in my feature from earlier this month. Here's Wurster's speech:
I am Jasun Wurster, volunteer spokesperson for Recall SamAdams.com.During the next nine months as the recall of Sam Adams happens, please remember the following when we are feeling angry, frustrated or upset with one another about Sam Adams. It is not the person we call Mayor who defines us as Portlanders, but how we treat one another in resolving this conflict.
I am here to speak about a recall that is based on truth, citizen participation and kindness. Make no mistake, the recall of Sam Adams has already begun; we just can't collect signatures for another 140 days.
The recall is the direct result of Sam Adams' own volition. He willfully lied to the public to get elected. He orchestrated an elaborate cover-up and conspired with others to participate in it. He subverted our democratic process through negative and deceptive campaigning. He abused the power we granted him.
He now sits before us as an untrusted and politically bankrupt politician who is desperately clinging to his ill-gotten power. Sam, do you not realize that your hands are antithetically placed around the throat of our democracy?
Hundreds of citizens across the Portland-Metro region have joined together to volunteer their time and talent to recall Sam Adams, because he refuses to resign in the wake of his premeditated election deceptions, which not only have diminished the title of Mayor, but also that of Portlander and Oregonian.
As citizens of Portland we are duty bound to remove you from office for your anti-democratic actions. As Oregonians, it is our legacy to blaze civic trails that will inspire fellow Americans to hold their elected officials accountable.
Time permits me to briefly rebut but only some of the most egregious disinformation cast by those who support Sam Adams' actions:
1.The recall will provide a method of removing Sam Adams from office while protecting individuals who fear the well documented political thuggery you have shown yourself capable of.
2.The recall is organized by Portland residents and is apolitical, non-religious and focuses solely on recalling you because of the civic transgressions you have committed against us.
3.The recall will not associate with those who see this as an opportunity to promote hate against the LGBT community.
We will no longer be slaves to the fear and political apathy that corrupt politicians have come to rely on to stay in power.
It is my promise to the residents of my beloved home Portland, Oregon: That this recall will be one that redefines us to the rest of the world as being honorable, intelligent, civil, and caring.
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What the fuck is wrong with Portland? And Mr. Wurster in particular? You're addressing the City Council in a public forum. DO NOT WEAR A MUTHERFUCKING HOODIE. Please at least put on a collared shirt. Please show respect for both the City of Portland and yourself.
Also, could someone please show me examples of Sam Adams's "well documented political thuggery". Please do not use the Beau-incident. Please provide other examples.
Tertiarily, the Oregon Constitution prevents the gathering of signatures until July 1st, 2009. That is farther than 14 days away. Please explain how Jasun is planning on building a time machine.
Also, could someone please show me examples of Sam Adams's "well documented political thuggery". Please do not use the Beau-incident. Please provide other examples.
Tertiarily, the Oregon Constitution prevents the gathering of signatures until July 1st, 2009. That is farther than 14 days away. Please explain how Jasun is planning on building a time machine.
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Graham -
You beat me to it on the hoodie comment. Bonus points for working the word "tertiarily" into there.
There was a time in my life, not too long ago (who knows, that time may return) when I sported an unconventional hairstyle. During that time, I had to address a committee at a public meeting -- but a good shirt and decent slacks goes a long way to display a little respect and get past any other visual differences.
This is a political campaign that Jasun is running -- a spokesman needs to take into account how he will be perceived by an audience... I wonder if his attire choice was actually calculated... perhaps he was trying to convey that Sam Adams has lost the "slacker" vote?
You beat me to it on the hoodie comment. Bonus points for working the word "tertiarily" into there.
There was a time in my life, not too long ago (who knows, that time may return) when I sported an unconventional hairstyle. During that time, I had to address a committee at a public meeting -- but a good shirt and decent slacks goes a long way to display a little respect and get past any other visual differences.
This is a political campaign that Jasun is running -- a spokesman needs to take into account how he will be perceived by an audience... I wonder if his attire choice was actually calculated... perhaps he was trying to convey that Sam Adams has lost the "slacker" vote?
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This is absurd.
Adams may have made a mistake and lied about it, but it was not a mistake and subsequent deception about his political activities as a public servant, this was a personal mistake and subsequent deception.
An individual's personal mistakes do not necessarily mean that person will not (or can not) be a competent and inspiring public servant. Sam Adams is the right mayor for Portland, and while his personal actions (i.e., the deception of the public about his personal life) are regrettable, those actions do not displace the fact that he is a great leader and the right leader for Portland.
We should not reward nor look the other way when public servants make mistakes, but we need to look at the context of the mistake and how it may or may not affect that public servant's ability to perform the duties of their office. If this was a charge of embezzlement or voter fraud, that would be one thing. But no, we're talking about the mayor's sex life, which has no place in the public spotlight.
Adams may have made a mistake and lied about it, but it was not a mistake and subsequent deception about his political activities as a public servant, this was a personal mistake and subsequent deception.
An individual's personal mistakes do not necessarily mean that person will not (or can not) be a competent and inspiring public servant. Sam Adams is the right mayor for Portland, and while his personal actions (i.e., the deception of the public about his personal life) are regrettable, those actions do not displace the fact that he is a great leader and the right leader for Portland.
We should not reward nor look the other way when public servants make mistakes, but we need to look at the context of the mistake and how it may or may not affect that public servant's ability to perform the duties of their office. If this was a charge of embezzlement or voter fraud, that would be one thing. But no, we're talking about the mayor's sex life, which has no place in the public spotlight.
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HAI GUISE, GHOST OF A CAT HERE. JUST STOPPING IN TO SEE IF THINGS HAVE GOTTEN AWESOME AGAIN SINCE I LEFT. SADLY, NO. I WISH JASUN WASN'T SUCH A MORON, HE SEEMS SORT OF LIKE A NICE GUY ASIDE FROM THAT.
CONFIDENTIAL TO GRAHAM: IF YOU OR KIALA DON'T GET POSTING SOON, WILL "CONTENT-FREE POSTS" RADIK IS GOING TO SURPASS ME FOR MOST PROLIFIC POSTER. PLEASE DON'T LET THAT HAPPEN.
HUGGLES,
A CAT'S GHOST
CONFIDENTIAL TO GRAHAM: IF YOU OR KIALA DON'T GET POSTING SOON, WILL "CONTENT-FREE POSTS" RADIK IS GOING TO SURPASS ME FOR MOST PROLIFIC POSTER. PLEASE DON'T LET THAT HAPPEN.
HUGGLES,
A CAT'S GHOST
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PS- GOOGLE "BUDDY CIANCI" IF YOU REALLY THINK HONESTY AND INTEGRITY ARE NEEDED IN A GOOD EFFECTIVE POLITICIAN.
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Welcome back good buddy.
Unfortunately, I disagree with your supposed prolific posting. Too much copypasta, not enough OC. Did you miss the Scottish/Irish argument? That was some funny stuff with panties being bunched up.
Unfortunately, I disagree with your supposed prolific posting. Too much copypasta, not enough OC. Did you miss the Scottish/Irish argument? That was some funny stuff with panties being bunched up.
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My only copypasta was the caturday bots. Oh, and my retirement bot. I guess I'll never understand why scrolling by a single message per post every friday made people so angry. Out of my 600 or so post between the two accounts, there was a pretty decent amount of genuine vitriolic OC.
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As an advocate for the recall can I just say: I am completely HUMILIATED by Wurster's attire. Seriously, what were you thinking?
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[Sarcasm/conspiracy mode on]
This is clearly a brilliant move on Adams' part... in anticipation that a recall effort would be launched against him when news of the scandal broke, he secretly organized a small group of volunteers to run an incompetent and media-unsavvy recall campaign, thereby neutralizing any chance of a recall succeeding. Well done, Jasun.
[Sarcasm/conspiracy mode off.]
This is clearly a brilliant move on Adams' part... in anticipation that a recall effort would be launched against him when news of the scandal broke, he secretly organized a small group of volunteers to run an incompetent and media-unsavvy recall campaign, thereby neutralizing any chance of a recall succeeding. Well done, Jasun.
[Sarcasm/conspiracy mode off.]
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I think Bob is onto something here. Nobody can be this incompetent by accident, this guy has got to be trying.
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@a.O: Looking at your comment history, the majority of them are complaining that trolls are ruining threads. I do dare say that you are the troll that's ruining threads.
@Bob: That would explain the issues with Jasun not saying who is really running the campaign and all the weirdness about the website registering. It's really Tom Miller all along.
@Bob: That would explain the issues with Jasun not saying who is really running the campaign and all the weirdness about the website registering. It's really Tom Miller all along.
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Who spells their name "Jasun"?
I guess guys in business casual hoodies do.
Hi A CAT. Welcome back.
I guess guys in business casual hoodies do.
Hi A CAT. Welcome back.
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Bob R.
I assure you that your conspiracy theory is not true. The recall is 100% genuine and not a front by Sam Adams.
The reason for wearing a hoodie is that I was running a fever and was cold. I was also nervous enough as it was speaking and forgot to take it off.
The recall will succeed because of our vast pool of volunteers, honorable campaigning and constantly refuting disinformation spread by of those who support Sam Adams actions.
RecallSamAdams.com
Jasun Wurster
I assure you that your conspiracy theory is not true. The recall is 100% genuine and not a front by Sam Adams.
The reason for wearing a hoodie is that I was running a fever and was cold. I was also nervous enough as it was speaking and forgot to take it off.
The recall will succeed because of our vast pool of volunteers, honorable campaigning and constantly refuting disinformation spread by of those who support Sam Adams actions.
RecallSamAdams.com
Jasun Wurster
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"The reason for wearing a hoodie is that I was running a fever and was cold. I was also nervous enough as it was speaking and forgot to take it off."
But from the photo it looks like you only had a plain T-shirt on underneath.
Maybe this is really a conspiracy on the part of the Mercury to only post unflattering photos of people speaking at City Hall, given other past photo incidents. :-)
But from the photo it looks like you only had a plain T-shirt on underneath.
Maybe this is really a conspiracy on the part of the Mercury to only post unflattering photos of people speaking at City Hall, given other past photo incidents. :-)
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"those who support Sam Adams actions."
Sorry for the rapid-fire comments, but has anyone, anywhere, publicly supported Sam Adams' actions? (Assuming by "actions" you are referring to the breedlove matter.)
Tip: Being willing to forgive lies, or thinking that a particular act isn't the public's business in the first place, does not constitute "support" for those actions.
Sorry for the rapid-fire comments, but has anyone, anywhere, publicly supported Sam Adams' actions? (Assuming by "actions" you are referring to the breedlove matter.)
Tip: Being willing to forgive lies, or thinking that a particular act isn't the public's business in the first place, does not constitute "support" for those actions.
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My my Cat, I knew your snivelling screed was simply too good to be true. Please don't compare Sam Adams to Cianci. The fuck you know about Providence anyway?
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"Who spells their name "Jasun"?
I guess guys in business casual hoodies do.
Hi A CAT. Welcome back."
Seriously?
Who moves to San Francisco yet still seems unable to stop posting inane comments on Portland websites?
I guess guys in business casual hoodies do.
Hi A CAT. Welcome back."
Seriously?
Who moves to San Francisco yet still seems unable to stop posting inane comments on Portland websites?
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"our vast pool of volunteers, honorable campaigning and constantly refuting disinformation spread by of those who support Sam Adams actions."
By vast pool, you mean, the one guy, who is apparently too sick to put on a nice shirt. But hey, get well soon. Tom Miller needs you.
By vast pool, you mean, the one guy, who is apparently too sick to put on a nice shirt. But hey, get well soon. Tom Miller needs you.
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"The reason for wearing a hoodie is that I was running a fever and was cold. I was also nervous enough as it was speaking and forgot to take it off."
You were nervous about speaking and you are the spokesperson for the campaign to recall Sam? Did you draw the shortest straw?
At least your argument has been a lot more saner than the Ten Commandments guy from Beaverton.
You were nervous about speaking and you are the spokesperson for the campaign to recall Sam? Did you draw the shortest straw?
At least your argument has been a lot more saner than the Ten Commandments guy from Beaverton.
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Is it wrong that I am deeply heartened to discover that the only interesting debate we can now muster about the Sam's one night stand is to express disgust over a poor fashion choice on the part of the idiots trying to recall him?
Hurrah. Moving on now.
Hurrah. Moving on now.
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tpancio: It wasn't a one night stand, it lasted two days.
And we've got other comments. For instance, I hope that when I'm 42, I can entertain a 18 year old porn star for two days.
And we've got other comments. For instance, I hope that when I'm 42, I can entertain a 18 year old porn star for two days.
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jake, I lived in Providence for quite a few years, at the corner of Camp and Pleasant. I have no problem with talking politics, but please leave the negativity at the door. It's boring.
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My bummer is that i voted for Sam, and now he's voted for both the MLS soccer stadium and the 'Better Bridge To The Couve' Project'. His sex life never mattered to me, but the things that he's voted for so far are against what I think Portland voted him in to accomplish.
The only reason that I voted for Sam was because Sho Dozono totally did not have his shit together. Sadly, Portland hasn't stepped up with an alternative.
Bad fashion choice? It could not have been Wurster but it was.
The only reason that I voted for Sam was because Sho Dozono totally did not have his shit together. Sadly, Portland hasn't stepped up with an alternative.
Bad fashion choice? It could not have been Wurster but it was.
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I will never ware a hoodie in public again.
That's a red herring; you cats have fun with it.
You all know where I stand.
The fact of the matter is that it is not looking good for Sam Adams. If there was nothing, the AG would not have taken the case. The mere fact that the AG has taken the case and has not dropped it yet show that there are important things being investigated like: tapes, cell phone bills, visa card bills....
Jasun is doing a fine job. He learned a lot working with the Fritz program and I look forward to seeing what he will do after the six month mark. It's hard to do something like this on a shoe string. I know from experience.
Matthew -- when you are 42 you can hang around all of the 18 year old's you want to. The problem with Sam Adams was he hung around a 17 year old. Don't try that at home.
Bob -- caught your post to the dare. Did you get my post?
That's a red herring; you cats have fun with it.
You all know where I stand.
The fact of the matter is that it is not looking good for Sam Adams. If there was nothing, the AG would not have taken the case. The mere fact that the AG has taken the case and has not dropped it yet show that there are important things being investigated like: tapes, cell phone bills, visa card bills....
Jasun is doing a fine job. He learned a lot working with the Fritz program and I look forward to seeing what he will do after the six month mark. It's hard to do something like this on a shoe string. I know from experience.
Matthew -- when you are 42 you can hang around all of the 18 year old's you want to. The problem with Sam Adams was he hung around a 17 year old. Don't try that at home.
Bob -- caught your post to the dare. Did you get my post?
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I have to agree with many of my sworn blogtown enemies. Don't wear a hoodie to speak to the Council.
In Wurster's defense, many speakers I've seen at Council make this mistake. My wife has to be in court often for her job and she says that people don't even dress up to appear on the stand.
Get your shit together people. Everyone has one holiday sweater don't they?
In Wurster's defense, many speakers I've seen at Council make this mistake. My wife has to be in court often for her job and she says that people don't even dress up to appear on the stand.
Get your shit together people. Everyone has one holiday sweater don't they?
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The child molester cartel is in full effect in this thread. Who cares about the hoodie when the man in the hoodie is facing down a child molesting election stealing liar like Sam Adams.
You unrepentant Sam Adam supporters are a disgrace to the city of Portland. I am sure most of you are registered sex offenders cheering on your hero Sam Adams.
You unrepentant Sam Adam supporters are a disgrace to the city of Portland. I am sure most of you are registered sex offenders cheering on your hero Sam Adams.
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"The recall will succeed because of our vast pool of volunteers, honorable campaigning and constantly refuting disinformation spread by of those who support Sam Adams actions."
Bwahahaha...I remember hearing those "staggering" numbers you talk about. I also remember the "staggering" amount of people who volunteered for the Kerry campaign and how many of them actually showed up. Register 1000 you'll be lucky to get 100 to actually show up to something. And that was an election that mattered. The only people that still care about this are rubes from West Linn, christianists from Lake Oswego and some jerk that couldn't even bother dressing up to go before city council. Epic fail
Bwahahaha...I remember hearing those "staggering" numbers you talk about. I also remember the "staggering" amount of people who volunteered for the Kerry campaign and how many of them actually showed up. Register 1000 you'll be lucky to get 100 to actually show up to something. And that was an election that mattered. The only people that still care about this are rubes from West Linn, christianists from Lake Oswego and some jerk that couldn't even bother dressing up to go before city council. Epic fail
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I know this is futile, but here we go;
VanSmack: Do you really, truly believe that an adult having sex with a 17-y.o. is a "child molester"?
Second, do you think that the the state legislators of the 40-something states in which this sort of thing would be legal are enabling "child molestation"? Where's the outcry for that?
God, this topic is stupid.
VanSmack: Do you really, truly believe that an adult having sex with a 17-y.o. is a "child molester"?
Second, do you think that the the state legislators of the 40-something states in which this sort of thing would be legal are enabling "child molestation"? Where's the outcry for that?
God, this topic is stupid.
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If I may, Mercury Fashion Police, Portland is a causal place and people who use bike transportation tend to dress even more casual. I have dressed up every time I spoke in front of the council but I am driving in a nice warm polluting car from West Linn (haters) and parking in a nice warm garage. I can tell you that if I had BIKED in from the burbs I would not have been in heels and a skirt. Did you happen to read what he said? He had some really good points and it was not in any way hated filled. Can we give the guy a break on the sweatshirt? How many of you are working for a cause you feel passionate about and devoting hours of your time. I certainly am not and I don’t think most of you are either.
Oh and please, Mercury, I know the economy is bad but can you give Davis something better then a Polaroid to work with? Digital cam’s are all the rage or just have him draw something!
Oh and please, Mercury, I know the economy is bad but can you give Davis something better then a Polaroid to work with? Digital cam’s are all the rage or just have him draw something!
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[as much as I disagree with Rondine's position, I kind of like her intarwebz presence a lot. She's spunky.]
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Rondine, I bike to and from work every day. Somehow I still manage to wear collared shirts, dress slacks and dress shoes every day. All it takes is the smallest amount of planning.
Jasun's speach was amazingly lacking in substance. Accusing Adams of "hands are antithetically placed around the throat of our democracy" is a bit much. Yeah, lying about one's sex life is the pretty much the same as strangling democracy.
Jasun is a horrible spokesman for the recall campaign. He is unable to argue his points and to clearly communicate.
Jasun's speach was amazingly lacking in substance. Accusing Adams of "hands are antithetically placed around the throat of our democracy" is a bit much. Yeah, lying about one's sex life is the pretty much the same as strangling democracy.
Jasun is a horrible spokesman for the recall campaign. He is unable to argue his points and to clearly communicate.
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Graham, it is a volunteer position that, correct me if I am wrong, not a lot if people were clamoring for. Lets pretend the recall had a guy in a custom tailored suit giving a speech. People would be calling him a tool and saying his manner of dress shows he does not understand his audience (Portland.) It is really Sam's behavior you should be judging and not the citizens who are exercising there right to speak at council.
BTW did you happen to check out the manner of dress by the guys who spoke about MLS at council? Crocks with Tube Socks anyone? Enough said
BTW did you happen to check out the manner of dress by the guys who spoke about MLS at council? Crocks with Tube Socks anyone? Enough said
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Sam is a liar and that is undeniable. Sam Adams as a City Commissioner....let alone as a law abiding citizen should have never engaged in sexual activity with a minor. Child molesters as a rule are dishonest people. They have to lie to hide their proclivity. They have to attack those that encumber their ability to engage sexually with minors and they enforce the fears parents have about the evil that awaits their children.
The only people that support Sam are child molesters and other dregs of Portland society that do not care about the safety of children, honesty or laws of our state and the values of the people of Portland.
The only people that support Sam are child molesters and other dregs of Portland society that do not care about the safety of children, honesty or laws of our state and the values of the people of Portland.
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Hi Garret.
I can see how you would take "well said" as sort of excessive and effusive praise. In any event, the issue is Adams. And Adams needs to resign.
I can see how you would take "well said" as sort of excessive and effusive praise. In any event, the issue is Adams. And Adams needs to resign.
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"The only people that support Sam are child molesters and other dregs of Portland society that do not care about the safety of children, honesty or laws of our state and the values of the people of Portland."
VanSmack, you know this isn't factually true, right? Also, could answer my previous question about the 40-something states where an adult sleeping with a 17-y.o. is legal? Are they condoning child molestation, in your opinion? I'm confused.
VanSmack, you know this isn't factually true, right? Also, could answer my previous question about the 40-something states where an adult sleeping with a 17-y.o. is legal? Are they condoning child molestation, in your opinion? I'm confused.
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Boxxy, a 42-year-old kissing a 17-year-old is strange behavior. It just is. I know many of you blogtowners live exciting lives of intergenerational romance, so it all seems normal as can be to you, but it really isn't. It's weird. And because we're talking about the mayor, the fact that it's weird matters to a lot of people.
In answer to your question, is it child molestation, the answer is: in this state it can be. If you want to move to the hill country and screw 14 year olds, knock yourself out, but we live in Oregon and have our own laws to follow.
In answer to your question, is it child molestation, the answer is: in this state it can be. If you want to move to the hill country and screw 14 year olds, knock yourself out, but we live in Oregon and have our own laws to follow.
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Way to go with the slippery-slope there, Blabby... from "kissing" 17-year-olds to "screwing" 14-year-olds. I humbly submit that there are important substantive differences between the two scenarios. But for Adams opponents like VanSmack who wish to make this all about icky sex, it is necessary to invent that slope and associate what is known about the Breedlove scandal with imaginary scenarios which offend just about everybody.
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Blabby, my question is why would the vast majority of the nation make such an abomination legal? Why aren't the righteous coming in from west linn and lake oswego to protest this scourge similarly enraged by the rampant legal child molestation sanctioned by legislatures throughout the nation? I don't get it.
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Graham and Bob R.,
If (and I am saying if) the AG finds out that Sam did kiss Breedlove in the City Hall bathroom, I hope you find Adams in at least the same amount of contempt for not respecting City Council as you do Jasun Wurster for wearing a hoodie.. Also profanity (Mr. Graham), is not respectful either.
I think most people will trust someone in a hoodie more than some one who lies like Sam did every day.
If (and I am saying if) the AG finds out that Sam did kiss Breedlove in the City Hall bathroom, I hope you find Adams in at least the same amount of contempt for not respecting City Council as you do Jasun Wurster for wearing a hoodie.. Also profanity (Mr. Graham), is not respectful either.
I think most people will trust someone in a hoodie more than some one who lies like Sam did every day.
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Dear "Sham" -
What people do in the city hall bathroom is in no way comparable to how they present themselves formally before the council.
Hint: I don't think it is appropriate to take a dump in the council chambers, or pee on the table before giving testimony. However, I don't mind at all if people do those activities in a restroom.
As for "contempt", I don't hold Mr. Wurster in "contempt" at all. I just think it's not good at all, from an effectiveness standpoint, for a spokesman for an important political campaign to make his big confrontational pitch without dressing for the part and showing a little professionalism and respect.
It's not a fashion-police thing either... Hoodies and t-shirts are fine by me most of the time.
What people do in the city hall bathroom is in no way comparable to how they present themselves formally before the council.
Hint: I don't think it is appropriate to take a dump in the council chambers, or pee on the table before giving testimony. However, I don't mind at all if people do those activities in a restroom.
As for "contempt", I don't hold Mr. Wurster in "contempt" at all. I just think it's not good at all, from an effectiveness standpoint, for a spokesman for an important political campaign to make his big confrontational pitch without dressing for the part and showing a little professionalism and respect.
It's not a fashion-police thing either... Hoodies and t-shirts are fine by me most of the time.
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Sham, go fuck yourself. Very respectful I am.
The AG doesn't need to find out if Sam kissed Beau. They both admit to it. Not too tough to figure out. The question is whether the AG finds that it rises to a prosecutable offense. If Mayor Adams gets charged with a level 3 sexual offense, I will call for his resignation.
The AG doesn't need to find out if Sam kissed Beau. They both admit to it. Not too tough to figure out. The question is whether the AG finds that it rises to a prosecutable offense. If Mayor Adams gets charged with a level 3 sexual offense, I will call for his resignation.
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Bob R,
You are a pretty good spin doctor for the child molester class. It is obvious what you and your family and friends are all about. Just remember this is a small town, and in small towns we protect our young from folks like you. That is why Sam is going to be recalled and you are going to be closely watched.
I assert that Sam IS a child molester by admission. Sam is a liar by admission. Most people of Portland feel those that have sex with our minors, make out with our minors and lie to gain public office are not worthy of civil freedoms let alone the right to hold public office.
One can only imagine that the same classless family that created the likes of Sam Adams has also given us Bob R. You are not getting anything over anyone Bob. You are just a closet child molester yourself rooting for your champion.
You are a pretty good spin doctor for the child molester class. It is obvious what you and your family and friends are all about. Just remember this is a small town, and in small towns we protect our young from folks like you. That is why Sam is going to be recalled and you are going to be closely watched.
I assert that Sam IS a child molester by admission. Sam is a liar by admission. Most people of Portland feel those that have sex with our minors, make out with our minors and lie to gain public office are not worthy of civil freedoms let alone the right to hold public office.
One can only imagine that the same classless family that created the likes of Sam Adams has also given us Bob R. You are not getting anything over anyone Bob. You are just a closet child molester yourself rooting for your champion.
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Graham,
Sam "The Child Molester" Adams and his victim have acknowledged the kiss lasted a minute or more. The victim also stated in an interview it was a romantic kiss at least on his part. At this point Sam and the victim have admitted a crime was committed. It is up to the AG to figure out how sever and if it is worth the states time to put Sam Adams in jail with all of the other Child Molesters we catch in this state.
Sam "The Child Molester" Adams and his victim have acknowledged the kiss lasted a minute or more. The victim also stated in an interview it was a romantic kiss at least on his part. At this point Sam and the victim have admitted a crime was committed. It is up to the AG to figure out how sever and if it is worth the states time to put Sam Adams in jail with all of the other Child Molesters we catch in this state.
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"Most people of Portland feel those that have sex with our minors, make out with our minors and lie to gain public office are not worthy of civil freedoms let alone the right to hold public office."
I think that remains to be seen, VanSmack. If you have access to some secret (yet definitive) polls, please do share.
Again: Do you feel that the majority of legislators in the country are condoning "child molestation" by allowing adults to have sex with 17-y.o. children? This isn't really a complicated question, and I'd love to know your feelings on it.
I think that remains to be seen, VanSmack. If you have access to some secret (yet definitive) polls, please do share.
Again: Do you feel that the majority of legislators in the country are condoning "child molestation" by allowing adults to have sex with 17-y.o. children? This isn't really a complicated question, and I'd love to know your feelings on it.
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"You are a pretty good spin doctor for the child molester class."
This is the kind of vile, gutter insult that people who are willing to forgive Sam have had to endure, time and time again, from the anti-Adams camp.
They can't win based on what (as far as we know) actually happened, so they have to spin people who don't think Sam must resign as supporting child molesters.
The real disgusting behavior is on display right here -- coming from a vocal subset of the anti-Adams crowd.
This is the kind of vile, gutter insult that people who are willing to forgive Sam have had to endure, time and time again, from the anti-Adams camp.
They can't win based on what (as far as we know) actually happened, so they have to spin people who don't think Sam must resign as supporting child molesters.
The real disgusting behavior is on display right here -- coming from a vocal subset of the anti-Adams crowd.
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Bob R.
The gutter insult is that people like you are allowed to feel because you have the right to spew your opinion on the public and feel that said opinion is worth listening too. What you are doing is an insult to the people of Portland. To think we are now elevating the opinions of those that advocate the abusing of our children is a sicking fact.
You and your kind are not forgiving Sam. You are cheering Sam and his kind on. You were never offended by his lies or the trespass against his young victim. I bet you are a bit envious of Sam Adams.
Like I said.....keep it up. You are not fooling anyone
The gutter insult is that people like you are allowed to feel because you have the right to spew your opinion on the public and feel that said opinion is worth listening too. What you are doing is an insult to the people of Portland. To think we are now elevating the opinions of those that advocate the abusing of our children is a sicking fact.
You and your kind are not forgiving Sam. You are cheering Sam and his kind on. You were never offended by his lies or the trespass against his young victim. I bet you are a bit envious of Sam Adams.
Like I said.....keep it up. You are not fooling anyone
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Wow, totally missed the "you're a closet child molester" part. With this kind of competition, I find it amazing that anyone considers me the troll around here.
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"To think we are now elevating the opinions of those that advocate the abusing of our children is a sicking fact."
VanSmack -
If you persist in this manner, I ask that you post with your real name, just as I have with mine. I can then sue you for libel.
I know that gets tossed around a lot on blogs, but you've clearly crossed the line here from subjective opinion to pure, malignant untruth.
VanSmack -
If you persist in this manner, I ask that you post with your real name, just as I have with mine. I can then sue you for libel.
I know that gets tossed around a lot on blogs, but you've clearly crossed the line here from subjective opinion to pure, malignant untruth.
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Bob, we all know it's untruth. The "you must your real name to be take seriously" and "omgwtf libel" cards are both as silly as the shit VanSmack is doing. Calm down.
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OK, Boxxy ... I'll calm down. I think I've made my point about the more rabid among the anti-Adams group.
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I think VanSmack and his ilk have made your point for you. I can't wait till this shit is over.
(why the fuck am i being the voice of reason???)
(why the fuck am i being the voice of reason???)
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"jake, I lived in Providence for quite a few years, at the corner of Camp and Pleasant. I have no problem with talking politics, but please leave the negativity at the door. It's boring.
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Well then, fair enough. I'm a bit of a Buddy Cianci fan myself.
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Well then, fair enough. I'm a bit of a Buddy Cianci fan myself.
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Who isn't, really? If you see someone in the inner SE in a "FREE BUDDY" t-shirt, it's prolly me. Feel free to say or punch me in the face or whatever.
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42 year old man kisses 17 year old minor for sexual gratification and people argue about the clothes somebody who makes his complaint public is wearing. Some of your are just plain disgusting.
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Bob R.
Don't make a threat you do not want to back up. Especially if you want to drag my behind into anyones court. No court is going to feel sorry for someone like you. You defend admitted liars and child molesters. I am not in the business of honoring the wishes of child abuser Sam Adams cheerleaders like yourself.
Regardless, I have not slandered you and not said anything that is not based on fact or deeply weighted in my personal opinion.
Keep defending Sam and I will keep picking you and the other members of the child molester cartel apart.
Don't make a threat you do not want to back up. Especially if you want to drag my behind into anyones court. No court is going to feel sorry for someone like you. You defend admitted liars and child molesters. I am not in the business of honoring the wishes of child abuser Sam Adams cheerleaders like yourself.
Regardless, I have not slandered you and not said anything that is not based on fact or deeply weighted in my personal opinion.
Keep defending Sam and I will keep picking you and the other members of the child molester cartel apart.
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Bob, please stop responding to VanS. It is not productive to any sort of dialogue. That's the problem with the internet. The trolls who aren't in it for the Lulz.
Cat, do you have an anon-mail drop I can contact you at? It's also very funny to see people call you Boxxy. You're the cancer now.
Cat, do you have an anon-mail drop I can contact you at? It's also very funny to see people call you Boxxy. You're the cancer now.
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I'm starting to think that VanSmack is really just a hell of troll, in which case I would gladly offer him all my internets.
I can be reached at not.matt.davis@gmail.com (it's a left over from the sock-puppet-laden glory days of blogtown...). I'm glad you like the boxxy-ness. I tried to change my photo but the edit-profile function seems to have gone jinky.
I can be reached at not.matt.davis@gmail.com (it's a left over from the sock-puppet-laden glory days of blogtown...). I'm glad you like the boxxy-ness. I tried to change my photo but the edit-profile function seems to have gone jinky.
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"Bob, please stop responding to VanS."
Well, I must admit it is difficult. I've had friends who were run off the road because of their political views, and I've had friends who were shot at with a shotgun for their political views, so when anonymous trolls like VanSmack accuse me of being supportive of child molestation, I take great offense, because I know that false talk like that can lead unstable individuals to violence.
VanS can hide behind his fake identity and lob blog comment grenades all he likes, but real people in the real world live with real consequences of deranged individuals who ascribe the very worst smears to those whose politics he doesn't like.
Well, I must admit it is difficult. I've had friends who were run off the road because of their political views, and I've had friends who were shot at with a shotgun for their political views, so when anonymous trolls like VanSmack accuse me of being supportive of child molestation, I take great offense, because I know that false talk like that can lead unstable individuals to violence.
VanS can hide behind his fake identity and lob blog comment grenades all he likes, but real people in the real world live with real consequences of deranged individuals who ascribe the very worst smears to those whose politics he doesn't like.
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Bob, it is 100% unfortunate that you and yours have been subjected to violence and threats. I like the things you say and your earnestness is truly heart-warming in a den on trolls.
In the future, I think it would be advisable for you to look at the source of statements and accusations. Especially on the internet. For instance, if a commenter accuses you of being a child molester because you're not against a politician... that person is a troll. They should be ignored. This is a generalized rule and I trust in your intelligence to to realize the specifics as need be. Also, you should put a link to your main blog in your profile here on Btown.
Cat, check that anon-mail. I hit you up.
In the future, I think it would be advisable for you to look at the source of statements and accusations. Especially on the internet. For instance, if a commenter accuses you of being a child molester because you're not against a politician... that person is a troll. They should be ignored. This is a generalized rule and I trust in your intelligence to to realize the specifics as need be. Also, you should put a link to your main blog in your profile here on Btown.
Cat, check that anon-mail. I hit you up.
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Well this has almost been as much fun as watching a forty-two year old try to bag an eighteen year old at a coffee shop downtown.
But really; Oregon passed this urber-prude law a long time ago. It has served us well over the years in putting pimps, child molesters, abusers and buyers of sex behind bars. To say we should ignore it because the Mayor had a kiss is bogus. No one is above the law, no matter how you feel about the law. Sam Adams lives under the same burdens that we all do. Just because the law is not repeated in forty other states does not lessen it's legitimacy here, self serve gas or sales tax ring a bell. Sam knew better, now we know so he has to go.
But really; Oregon passed this urber-prude law a long time ago. It has served us well over the years in putting pimps, child molesters, abusers and buyers of sex behind bars. To say we should ignore it because the Mayor had a kiss is bogus. No one is above the law, no matter how you feel about the law. Sam Adams lives under the same burdens that we all do. Just because the law is not repeated in forty other states does not lessen it's legitimacy here, self serve gas or sales tax ring a bell. Sam knew better, now we know so he has to go.
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Vert, I was just looking over your comment history. I have to say that I'm impressed. While I disagree with you over you position on several issues... I think that you have done quite a good job of presenting yourself and your ideas in this forum. Kudos to you sir/madam.
I just ask that you associate an image with your btown login. I (and many others) tend to ignore posters who don't have an account image. It doesn't matter what the img is. The effort for doing it is what we look for. Have a good night sir/madam. Cheers!
I just ask that you associate an image with your btown login. I (and many others) tend to ignore posters who don't have an account image. It doesn't matter what the img is. The effort for doing it is what we look for. Have a good night sir/madam. Cheers!
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"To say we should ignore it because the Mayor had a kiss is bogus."
I've asked this before of the "prosecute sam" crowd, but there hasn't been an answer: Are there any examples in precedent where this law has ever resulted in the conviction of someone solely over an alleged kiss, where there were no witnesses other than the participants, and no witness alleges other activity before the participants were both 18?
I've asked this before of the "prosecute sam" crowd, but there hasn't been an answer: Are there any examples in precedent where this law has ever resulted in the conviction of someone solely over an alleged kiss, where there were no witnesses other than the participants, and no witness alleges other activity before the participants were both 18?
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OK, bedtime for me... I guess the libel and despicable anonymous allegations can continue without me...
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"Are there any examples in precedent where this law has ever resulted in the conviction of someone solely over an alleged kiss, where there were no witnesses other than the participants, and no witness alleges other activity before the participants were both 18?"
No. Prove me wrong.
No. Prove me wrong.
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I don't recall many complaints when Whore Large showed up at the Save Sam rally with hair resembling a rats nest. I hope someday you people realize what you've become.
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"I don't recall many complaints when Whore Large showed up at the Save Sam rally with hair resembling a rats nest. I hope someday you people realize what you've become."
What we've become? You're the one throwing around insults. Did you find a link to this story over on Jasun's web site?
What we've become? You're the one throwing around insults. Did you find a link to this story over on Jasun's web site?
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almost spring & the rising sap brings more Sam silliness...
Vert, 'If there was nothing, the AG would not have taken the case' = good sound cop logic. Hunter Thompson put it this way, 'if you're not guilty, why are you bleeding?'
Rondine, 'Did you happen to read what he said?' yes he said Adams has his hands around the throat of democracy & its hart to take him seriously anymore.
Blabby, 'I know many of you blogtowners live exciting lives of intergenerational romance, so it all seems normal as can be to you, but it really isn't. It's weird.' at 32 I dated a 19 year old. Is that weird? am I one of the cool kids? if not what are dating rules normal vs weird? are they in the book of Leviticus? (am reading it now but having trouble w / details on meat sacrifice) pls be specific as I want to get this right
Bob R, 'I don't hold Mr. Wurster in "contempt" at all. I just think it's not good at all, from an effectiveness standpoint, for a spokesman for an important political campaign to make his big confrontational pitch without dressing for the part and showing a little professionalism and respect.' Bingo & ditto, should have waited until he was well & groomed
CH, 'I don't recall many complaints when Whore Large showed up at the Save Sam rally with hair resembling a rats nest.' Funny, I recall LOTS of mockery of Storm's appearance at that rally. not complaints exactly. Am not complaining myself about Jasuns hoddie, think hes representing his constituency just fine in his council comments. Constituencey = hysterical old ladies (hi Blabby), closet homophobes (hi VanSmack) single issue special interest voices (hi Rondine) and a few who sincerely think pols shouldnt lie (hi Jasun, i think you might be the only one, gotta give you credit for that.)
'I hope someday you people realize what you've become.' Yeah...what HAVE we become CH?
More...
Vert, 'If there was nothing, the AG would not have taken the case' = good sound cop logic. Hunter Thompson put it this way, 'if you're not guilty, why are you bleeding?'
Rondine, 'Did you happen to read what he said?' yes he said Adams has his hands around the throat of democracy & its hart to take him seriously anymore.
Blabby, 'I know many of you blogtowners live exciting lives of intergenerational romance, so it all seems normal as can be to you, but it really isn't. It's weird.' at 32 I dated a 19 year old. Is that weird? am I one of the cool kids? if not what are dating rules normal vs weird? are they in the book of Leviticus? (am reading it now but having trouble w / details on meat sacrifice) pls be specific as I want to get this right
Bob R, 'I don't hold Mr. Wurster in "contempt" at all. I just think it's not good at all, from an effectiveness standpoint, for a spokesman for an important political campaign to make his big confrontational pitch without dressing for the part and showing a little professionalism and respect.' Bingo & ditto, should have waited until he was well & groomed
CH, 'I don't recall many complaints when Whore Large showed up at the Save Sam rally with hair resembling a rats nest.' Funny, I recall LOTS of mockery of Storm's appearance at that rally. not complaints exactly. Am not complaining myself about Jasuns hoddie, think hes representing his constituency just fine in his council comments. Constituencey = hysterical old ladies (hi Blabby), closet homophobes (hi VanSmack) single issue special interest voices (hi Rondine) and a few who sincerely think pols shouldnt lie (hi Jasun, i think you might be the only one, gotta give you credit for that.)
'I hope someday you people realize what you've become.' Yeah...what HAVE we become CH?
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Bob R,
It has to suck to be you. From what little of your life you share on this blog with us, it is obvious that you have some major social issues.
Defending Sam Adams is a reflection of your moral code and the values your family instilled in you while growing up. I point this out to show how someone like Sam Adams with so much talent and skill can commit such a horrible act as grooming are young people fr his sexual will. Of course the likes of you will see nothing wrong in this. I would be surprised to find out (and I will) that the children in your family have NOT been sexualized.
Vert put it best. The laws that Sam violated have served Oregon well over the last couple of decades. It has allowed law enforcement to go after people like Sam and worse and protect our children. Just because Sam is our Mayor and just because he apologized does not give reason to walk away from this law and treat him different. Sam lost his opportunity for redemption when e lied, when he encouraged others to lie and when he and his wicked kind went after Bob Ball and his friends and family.
I have little regard for him, or the cheerleaders like yourself. Sam and you are why parents lose sleep at night. You are the fear we have when there seems nothing to fear. You are what makes Portland not quite as good as it could be and that is why this summer the city of Portland will Recall Sam and we will confront people like you with the reality that we DO care about our youth. We DO value truth and we will defend and protect both with every action we take. So sit back and spin on this. You have not shown yourself well and people like me that have known you are ashamed. Just like we are ashamed of Sam Adams.
It has to suck to be you. From what little of your life you share on this blog with us, it is obvious that you have some major social issues.
Defending Sam Adams is a reflection of your moral code and the values your family instilled in you while growing up. I point this out to show how someone like Sam Adams with so much talent and skill can commit such a horrible act as grooming are young people fr his sexual will. Of course the likes of you will see nothing wrong in this. I would be surprised to find out (and I will) that the children in your family have NOT been sexualized.
Vert put it best. The laws that Sam violated have served Oregon well over the last couple of decades. It has allowed law enforcement to go after people like Sam and worse and protect our children. Just because Sam is our Mayor and just because he apologized does not give reason to walk away from this law and treat him different. Sam lost his opportunity for redemption when e lied, when he encouraged others to lie and when he and his wicked kind went after Bob Ball and his friends and family.
I have little regard for him, or the cheerleaders like yourself. Sam and you are why parents lose sleep at night. You are the fear we have when there seems nothing to fear. You are what makes Portland not quite as good as it could be and that is why this summer the city of Portland will Recall Sam and we will confront people like you with the reality that we DO care about our youth. We DO value truth and we will defend and protect both with every action we take. So sit back and spin on this. You have not shown yourself well and people like me that have known you are ashamed. Just like we are ashamed of Sam Adams.
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[feeding the troll]
VanSmack, a lot of your rhetoric comes down to "the will of the community". When this recall fails, will you accept that you don't speak for the community? If the AG finds that the *intent* of the law doesn't cover the actions that you're so horrified by, will you accept this? You seem pretty enamored with the law, but a bit ignorant of how it actually works...
VanSmack, a lot of your rhetoric comes down to "the will of the community". When this recall fails, will you accept that you don't speak for the community? If the AG finds that the *intent* of the law doesn't cover the actions that you're so horrified by, will you accept this? You seem pretty enamored with the law, but a bit ignorant of how it actually works...
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Boxxy,
The AG will charge Sam Adams with a crime....no doubt about that. We are waiting to find out how sever the crime will be. I hope they hit him with the book. I want the perp walk, the conversion to god, the entire 9 yards. Have Rozie Sizer put the cuffs on Sam and drag his lying behind out of City Hall. While they are at it, they should begin looking into Bob R and the other members of the Child Molester Cartel leadership that have defended Sam Adams and attacked everyone that has stood against him.
The recall gains more steam as time passes. The majority of people in Portland reject two common things. We do not like people molesting our minors and we do not like Politicians that lie and thug their way into Political power. People of character and caring do not forgive child molesters. We do not forget what is at steak. Allow Sam a pass and allow People like Bob R and you feel like you have a safe place to cheer lead child molesters and call home.
What will you do when the backlash against the child molester cartel heats up and people like yourself are held accountable for what you have done? Cheer leading child abuse and supporting corrupt politics in Oregon. I know what you will do......hide and deny.
The AG will charge Sam Adams with a crime....no doubt about that. We are waiting to find out how sever the crime will be. I hope they hit him with the book. I want the perp walk, the conversion to god, the entire 9 yards. Have Rozie Sizer put the cuffs on Sam and drag his lying behind out of City Hall. While they are at it, they should begin looking into Bob R and the other members of the Child Molester Cartel leadership that have defended Sam Adams and attacked everyone that has stood against him.
The recall gains more steam as time passes. The majority of people in Portland reject two common things. We do not like people molesting our minors and we do not like Politicians that lie and thug their way into Political power. People of character and caring do not forgive child molesters. We do not forget what is at steak. Allow Sam a pass and allow People like Bob R and you feel like you have a safe place to cheer lead child molesters and call home.
What will you do when the backlash against the child molester cartel heats up and people like yourself are held accountable for what you have done? Cheer leading child abuse and supporting corrupt politics in Oregon. I know what you will do......hide and deny.
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One more thing. The Victims lawyers will not allow him to hold the city harmless of any liability caused by Sam Adams abusing him as a city commissioner. IN other words they are preserving their right to sue the pants off of Portlands dwindling budget. Sam will never pay of back the millions this victim will be getting. Maybe you Sex Abuse Cheerleaders can take up a collection and protect Portland by paying the settlement/judgment yourself. After all, since you have forgiven Sam and all......Why should someone like me that hates what he has done and rejects what he has done pay for his misdeeds. Put your name on that petition and your credibility will go up an eighth inch.
You members of the Child Molesting cartel are just all BS and talk. Your support is as shallow as Sam Adams respect for telling the truth.
You members of the Child Molesting cartel are just all BS and talk. Your support is as shallow as Sam Adams respect for telling the truth.
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OK
Here's what I got without going down to the court house and ordering all of the Sex Assault III cases.
Mr Allen Bryce Thompson kissed up on a Boy Scout in 94 and then kissed up on another kid in 07. So he is one of on the only SAIII on the sex offender list.
Mr Michael M. Pacheco Esq. kissed up on his office help and was convected for many SAIIIs. No kids as far as I can tell. Just un-wanted kisses and some holding down of arms so they would not push him away.
A Mr. Meyrovich was convected for Sex Assault I for kissing a woman on the lips and neck. He is not a nice man and so now he is serving life because it was a third strike. His case is a great read because of it's definition of sexual contact and how they came up with it. It seems a kiss on the neck is sexual contact.
Take a read yourself. www.publications.ojd.state.or.us/a124680.h…
I hope I got that link right.
So Bob:
A minor cannot give sexual consent to anyone more than three years older than themselves.
A non-consensual kiss is SAIII.
Sam has admitted to kissing a minor.
Sam has committed SAIII.
But this is just my court of law. I will like to see what the AG is going to say.
Here's what I got without going down to the court house and ordering all of the Sex Assault III cases.
Mr Allen Bryce Thompson kissed up on a Boy Scout in 94 and then kissed up on another kid in 07. So he is one of on the only SAIII on the sex offender list.
Mr Michael M. Pacheco Esq. kissed up on his office help and was convected for many SAIIIs. No kids as far as I can tell. Just un-wanted kisses and some holding down of arms so they would not push him away.
A Mr. Meyrovich was convected for Sex Assault I for kissing a woman on the lips and neck. He is not a nice man and so now he is serving life because it was a third strike. His case is a great read because of it's definition of sexual contact and how they came up with it. It seems a kiss on the neck is sexual contact.
Take a read yourself. www.publications.ojd.state.or.us/a124680.h…
I hope I got that link right.
So Bob:
A minor cannot give sexual consent to anyone more than three years older than themselves.
A non-consensual kiss is SAIII.
Sam has admitted to kissing a minor.
Sam has committed SAIII.
But this is just my court of law. I will like to see what the AG is going to say.
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VanSmack is the crazy street preacher that yells at everyone at that one bus-stop on 4th, and I claim my £5.
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Boxxy, are you talking about the guy with the sign in downtown Seattle outside Nordstroms?
Vert, very well researched. I am impressed. What were the ages of the two victims in the Thompson case? I'm curious as to why Thompson is now a registered offender and Pacheco isn't.
The Meyrovich case is interesting because of how the court had to deal with "sexual contact". But I doubt that the case set any hard precedent.
One last thing, I am unsure as to how Statue of Limitations works. Does the AG have until 6/25/09 to charge Adams or to convict Adams?
Vert, very well researched. I am impressed. What were the ages of the two victims in the Thompson case? I'm curious as to why Thompson is now a registered offender and Pacheco isn't.
The Meyrovich case is interesting because of how the court had to deal with "sexual contact". But I doubt that the case set any hard precedent.
One last thing, I am unsure as to how Statue of Limitations works. Does the AG have until 6/25/09 to charge Adams or to convict Adams?
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The age of Thompson's Victims’ is moot. They were minors.
Pacheco did not go after minors; just young office workers, ergo he is not a threat to our states young.
The courts do not recognize 'hard' precedent or 'soft' precedent. A ruling is a ruling and only Supreme Courts reverse stuff like this -- and they don't do it lightly.
As for the Statue of Limitations, I don't know.
Bob R. This is pay back for having the balls to take me up on my dare. I felt it was only fair to accept your dare too.
Pacheco did not go after minors; just young office workers, ergo he is not a threat to our states young.
The courts do not recognize 'hard' precedent or 'soft' precedent. A ruling is a ruling and only Supreme Courts reverse stuff like this -- and they don't do it lightly.
As for the Statue of Limitations, I don't know.
Bob R. This is pay back for having the balls to take me up on my dare. I felt it was only fair to accept your dare too.
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In actual courts where actual things get decided, and with actual prosecutors that prosecute, age does matter. Your ignorance is showing, Vert.
Grant, I was thinking about the old guy at 3rd and Taylor. He sits on a bench with a sign and yells at everyone about how they are losers and will always be losers because they don't know jesus.
Grant, I was thinking about the old guy at 3rd and Taylor. He sits on a bench with a sign and yells at everyone about how they are losers and will always be losers because they don't know jesus.
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that should be to graham, not grant... i suck cocks.
also, an email is on the way. soon. i'm shite at correspondence.
also, an email is on the way. soon. i'm shite at correspondence.
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Vert, age does matter. If I remember correctly, there was a case where the defendant was charged with Sex Assault II. Because of the age of the victim (14). The defendant plead to Sex Assault III. The law recognizes different levels of minors.
And by hard or soft precedent I was referring to the level of the court. I don't think it was Appelate or Federal, so the precedent doesn't have to be applied in other cases.
And by hard or soft precedent I was referring to the level of the court. I don't think it was Appelate or Federal, so the precedent doesn't have to be applied in other cases.
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"A non-consensual kiss is SAIII.
Sam has admitted to kissing a minor.
Sam has committed SAIII."
Sorry, Vert, it's not that simple. Otherwise, a grandparent can never kiss their grandchild. Not all kisses constitute SA-III, and there is no direct precedent which fits this set of facts as we know them. (And no, grandparents should not kiss their grandchildren in such a manner as has been described in the Breedlove matter. The point is that there is no 100% applicable "no kissing minors whatsoever" precedent.)
Without responding directly to trolls, I see that the other side is now threatening stalker behavior, threatening to investigate my family. Classy. Sam Adams was apparently right to fear a witch-hunt. My initial reaction when the scandal broke was that Sam should've maintained a "none of your business" stance from the very beginning, rather than lie. Now, I wonder...
Sam has admitted to kissing a minor.
Sam has committed SAIII."
Sorry, Vert, it's not that simple. Otherwise, a grandparent can never kiss their grandchild. Not all kisses constitute SA-III, and there is no direct precedent which fits this set of facts as we know them. (And no, grandparents should not kiss their grandchildren in such a manner as has been described in the Breedlove matter. The point is that there is no 100% applicable "no kissing minors whatsoever" precedent.)
Without responding directly to trolls, I see that the other side is now threatening stalker behavior, threatening to investigate my family. Classy. Sam Adams was apparently right to fear a witch-hunt. My initial reaction when the scandal broke was that Sam should've maintained a "none of your business" stance from the very beginning, rather than lie. Now, I wonder...
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"I see that the other side is now threatening stalker behavior, threatening to investigate my family."
Am I missing something?
Am I missing something?
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Cat, I think that Bob is referring to statements that VanS has made. This one in particular, "I would be surprised to find out (and I will) that the children in your family have NOT been sexualized. "
VanS has made many other vaguely threatening statements towards Bob, his family and his friends. Prety much crossed the line.
VanS has made many other vaguely threatening statements towards Bob, his family and his friends. Prety much crossed the line.
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Bob.R
You asked for an example of someone being found guilty for kissing.
I gave you three.
But here is the crux, intent.
My dad kisses my daughter all of the time. His intent is not sexual.
I kiss my friends all of the time. My intent is not sexual. (am married)
Breedlove has admitted that on his part the kisses were sexual. Breedlove and Adams had sex two weeks after Breedlove''s 18th birthday. Were the kisses before the birthday communicating sexual intent? That is the question. One party says yes. Actions of both parties suggest yes.
I say that Sam Adams intent was sexual from the very start.
You asked for an example of someone being found guilty for kissing.
I gave you three.
But here is the crux, intent.
My dad kisses my daughter all of the time. His intent is not sexual.
I kiss my friends all of the time. My intent is not sexual. (am married)
Breedlove has admitted that on his part the kisses were sexual. Breedlove and Adams had sex two weeks after Breedlove''s 18th birthday. Were the kisses before the birthday communicating sexual intent? That is the question. One party says yes. Actions of both parties suggest yes.
I say that Sam Adams intent was sexual from the very start.
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I am not stalking anyone, but like all of you I live in Portland and Portland is a small town. What should be understood is I am not some bible thumping hypocrite. I have no intention on forgiving anyone that advocates, defends or supports child abusers and we have a few of those TYPES posting on this message board.
These low lifes took offense at Jasun wearing a hoodie at a public meeting, but feel it is acceptable behavior for a 42 year old man to groom a child for sexual activity.. Why people like this will not kill themselves rid this planet of their lower life forms just shows how much contempt they have for mankind and in this case....children. I assert that wearing a hoodie to city council is bad form, but it is NOT as offensive as what Sam Adams and other child molesters do. To bully a law abiding Portlander like Jasun is shameful. If these people are proud of themselves, then we should all take that as an indication of the very poor upbringing and low social morals these people have.
Vert you nailed the sex offender cartel in here. I appreciate you taking the time to educate these really scary people. I am sure they are not listening but others in here that care about children are and I am happy to see Oregon is aggressive in its fight to protect our women and children of sex offenders and their cheerleaders.
These low lifes took offense at Jasun wearing a hoodie at a public meeting, but feel it is acceptable behavior for a 42 year old man to groom a child for sexual activity.. Why people like this will not kill themselves rid this planet of their lower life forms just shows how much contempt they have for mankind and in this case....children. I assert that wearing a hoodie to city council is bad form, but it is NOT as offensive as what Sam Adams and other child molesters do. To bully a law abiding Portlander like Jasun is shameful. If these people are proud of themselves, then we should all take that as an indication of the very poor upbringing and low social morals these people have.
Vert you nailed the sex offender cartel in here. I appreciate you taking the time to educate these really scary people. I am sure they are not listening but others in here that care about children are and I am happy to see Oregon is aggressive in its fight to protect our women and children of sex offenders and their cheerleaders.
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"I am not stalking anyone, but like all of you I live in Portland and Portland is a small town."
Now you're walking back your earlier threat against my family... good. Come anywhere near my family and you'd better be prepared for trouble. And I dare you to actually call people "child abuser advocates" to their face.
It's not the blatant illogic and arrogance of your posts that bothers me. The Mercury blog lets any number of creeps like you insult and attack people anonymously, but I've never seen anyone cross the line into going after people's families like you have.
Now you're walking back your earlier threat against my family... good. Come anywhere near my family and you'd better be prepared for trouble. And I dare you to actually call people "child abuser advocates" to their face.
It's not the blatant illogic and arrogance of your posts that bothers me. The Mercury blog lets any number of creeps like you insult and attack people anonymously, but I've never seen anyone cross the line into going after people's families like you have.
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Bob R,
The only threat that was made if you want to reach out that far and call it one is a commitment to protect your family from you. The cheerleader of child molesters. Your family has only you to worry about.
You are just proving my point again. Sex abusers are dishonest by nature and they often make themselves out to be the victim. This is just another example of how you and Sam Adams share common traits. These traits betray to all of us who you really are. The man that defends child molestation and political thuggery.
You better keep your hands off my kids and yours too or you will be sitting in a cell right next to Sam Adams one day.
The only threat that was made if you want to reach out that far and call it one is a commitment to protect your family from you. The cheerleader of child molesters. Your family has only you to worry about.
You are just proving my point again. Sex abusers are dishonest by nature and they often make themselves out to be the victim. This is just another example of how you and Sam Adams share common traits. These traits betray to all of us who you really are. The man that defends child molestation and political thuggery.
You better keep your hands off my kids and yours too or you will be sitting in a cell right next to Sam Adams one day.
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Attack Jasun for what he wears. Support Sam for his inappropriate sexual indiscretions. What has our world and city come to?
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"Attack Jasun for what he wears. Support Sam for his inappropriate sexual indiscretions."
Those two statements are incorrect.
1. The comments about Jasun's attire were fair criticisms. He's the leader of a campaign, and this was his big moment in the spotlight. Judging him by his effectiveness is not inconsistent with also judging Sam by his effectiveness. (For example, a number of people who voted for Sam are disappointed in his recent CRC and MLS decisions.)
2. Nobody anywhere is supporting Sam "for his inappropriate sexual indiscretions". Rather, there's a mix of people who don't think Sam needs to resign over this, or they're willing to forgive the lies, sometimes conditionally, or they don't think the original indescritions are anyone's business, or they are waiting for the results of the investigation or waiting for the formal launch of the recall campaign to make a decision. None of these viewpoints constitute "support" for indiscretions in any way.
The whole point of forgiveness, by the way, is not "support" of a misdeed, but rather the ability to look past that and try to build upon lessons learned for a better future.
Those two statements are incorrect.
1. The comments about Jasun's attire were fair criticisms. He's the leader of a campaign, and this was his big moment in the spotlight. Judging him by his effectiveness is not inconsistent with also judging Sam by his effectiveness. (For example, a number of people who voted for Sam are disappointed in his recent CRC and MLS decisions.)
2. Nobody anywhere is supporting Sam "for his inappropriate sexual indiscretions". Rather, there's a mix of people who don't think Sam needs to resign over this, or they're willing to forgive the lies, sometimes conditionally, or they don't think the original indescritions are anyone's business, or they are waiting for the results of the investigation or waiting for the formal launch of the recall campaign to make a decision. None of these viewpoints constitute "support" for indiscretions in any way.
The whole point of forgiveness, by the way, is not "support" of a misdeed, but rather the ability to look past that and try to build upon lessons learned for a better future.
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Bob,
This community has made it clear that adults that have sex with minors will not and can not be tolerated for any reason. If you cared about your children the way a normal father cared about their children....this would not be a conflict with you. Thus the fair conclusion that you personally support sexual activities with minors at least in some degree.
To insult Jasun for what he is wearing while defending Sam Adams is evidence for us all about your character as a man and as a citizen. There is no law that says anyone has to wear their Sunday best to meet with the city council. Sure it is bad form not to, but so what....we all have the right to be in bad form from time to time. What is against the law and never in good form is to have sex with a minor. Lie to the People of Portland to gain political power and develop a conspiracy to back up the cover up. All of which you support when you assert that Sam should not resign or be removed from office for committing these trespasses.
Bob you are scary.
This community has made it clear that adults that have sex with minors will not and can not be tolerated for any reason. If you cared about your children the way a normal father cared about their children....this would not be a conflict with you. Thus the fair conclusion that you personally support sexual activities with minors at least in some degree.
To insult Jasun for what he is wearing while defending Sam Adams is evidence for us all about your character as a man and as a citizen. There is no law that says anyone has to wear their Sunday best to meet with the city council. Sure it is bad form not to, but so what....we all have the right to be in bad form from time to time. What is against the law and never in good form is to have sex with a minor. Lie to the People of Portland to gain political power and develop a conspiracy to back up the cover up. All of which you support when you assert that Sam should not resign or be removed from office for committing these trespasses.
Bob you are scary.
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"This community has made it clear that adults that have sex with minors will not and can not be tolerated for any reason."
First, a serious answer in case anyone (besides you) is still bothering to read: Based on what we know from reports and public statements, having sex with a minor is not at issue here. Some critics have raised complicated legal theories (without direct precedent) under which Sam Adams could be charged with Sexual Abuse III. Such charges, while serious, are NOT the same thing, legally or physically, as having sex with a minor.
Now, the truth about anonymous blog scum like you: I see that your profile was just created when this entry was first posted, and that you've spent the bulk of your time attacking me personally, very personally, including threats of stalking my family and repeated libel against me. Thus, YOU are a shining example of "well documented political thuggery", as phrased by your political ally Jasun Wurster. How about we go out for coffee sometime and you can spout your vile drivel to my face? You act as though you know so much about my family, so I assume you know how to get in touch with me.
First, a serious answer in case anyone (besides you) is still bothering to read: Based on what we know from reports and public statements, having sex with a minor is not at issue here. Some critics have raised complicated legal theories (without direct precedent) under which Sam Adams could be charged with Sexual Abuse III. Such charges, while serious, are NOT the same thing, legally or physically, as having sex with a minor.
Now, the truth about anonymous blog scum like you: I see that your profile was just created when this entry was first posted, and that you've spent the bulk of your time attacking me personally, very personally, including threats of stalking my family and repeated libel against me. Thus, YOU are a shining example of "well documented political thuggery", as phrased by your political ally Jasun Wurster. How about we go out for coffee sometime and you can spout your vile drivel to my face? You act as though you know so much about my family, so I assume you know how to get in touch with me.
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Actually, further research reveals that VanSmack first commented on February 18th in another thread, also to lob insults directly at me. You really are my stalker, after all. How flattering.
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Bob,
You get help for your sickness. Follow the Doctors instructions and take your medicine. I might meet with you sometime for coffee.
You are splitting hairs much like most creeps that abuse children. Oregon has a well documented history of going after adults that groom children for sexual activity. In Oregon you are a child/minor until the age of 18. That means no minute long romantic kisses in mens rooms while you are only 17. That means you do not send romantic love communications (test, emails or hand written letters) or make out with a 17 year old in a car. You do not like it, run for office, get elected and lobby to change the law. Otherwise live by the current law like the rest of us. That means Bob that you and Sam Adams are expected to keep your hands off our children.....Understand?
Sam Adams while meeting with the Oregonian Editorial Board admitted he knew what he is accused of is a serious CRIME. The crime he has now admitted to committing. He stated that what Bob Ball was claiming was more than just bad behavior. He stated that Bob Ball was trying to put him in Jail. Even the man you endorse here disagrees with your conclusion.
You are not an attorney and you do not know a thing about criminal law so stop with all of the BS about president. Your ignorance about the law and the discoveries of law is insulting to anyone that has studied the law or created laws.
No one has slandered or stalked you and you know it. Expressing facts about a person or sharing ones opinion is never slanderous. Stop whining and stop harming people with your thuggery.
In my honest opinion......you should be ashamed of yourself or expressing the views you have online.
You get help for your sickness. Follow the Doctors instructions and take your medicine. I might meet with you sometime for coffee.
You are splitting hairs much like most creeps that abuse children. Oregon has a well documented history of going after adults that groom children for sexual activity. In Oregon you are a child/minor until the age of 18. That means no minute long romantic kisses in mens rooms while you are only 17. That means you do not send romantic love communications (test, emails or hand written letters) or make out with a 17 year old in a car. You do not like it, run for office, get elected and lobby to change the law. Otherwise live by the current law like the rest of us. That means Bob that you and Sam Adams are expected to keep your hands off our children.....Understand?
Sam Adams while meeting with the Oregonian Editorial Board admitted he knew what he is accused of is a serious CRIME. The crime he has now admitted to committing. He stated that what Bob Ball was claiming was more than just bad behavior. He stated that Bob Ball was trying to put him in Jail. Even the man you endorse here disagrees with your conclusion.
You are not an attorney and you do not know a thing about criminal law so stop with all of the BS about president. Your ignorance about the law and the discoveries of law is insulting to anyone that has studied the law or created laws.
No one has slandered or stalked you and you know it. Expressing facts about a person or sharing ones opinion is never slanderous. Stop whining and stop harming people with your thuggery.
In my honest opinion......you should be ashamed of yourself or expressing the views you have online.
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One more thing Bob. Though most of my comments have been made toward you. It is clear in the body of my offerings that I am firmly in disagreement with anyone and everyone that shares your opinion. You are not the only member of the "Child Molester Support Team" that posts here and you are not the best cheerleader.
Another trait I feel you share with Sam Adams. The view that everything has to be about you. I am beginning to think that Sam Adams or someone close to Sam has put you up to posting here.
Another trait I feel you share with Sam Adams. The view that everything has to be about you. I am beginning to think that Sam Adams or someone close to Sam has put you up to posting here.
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"I am beginning to think that Sam Adams or someone close to Sam has put you up to posting here."
Bzzzt. Wrong again.
I'm not sure which is worse, that you spend so much time spreading lies about me, or that you're never even accidentally remotely correct when you share your paranoid conjectures.
"You are not an attorney and you do not know a thing about criminal law so stop with all of the BS about president."
The word is "precedent". Try not to reveal your ignorance while lecturing others.
"You get help for your sickness."
Remove the bats from your own belfry first, buddy.
Bzzzt. Wrong again.
I'm not sure which is worse, that you spend so much time spreading lies about me, or that you're never even accidentally remotely correct when you share your paranoid conjectures.
"You are not an attorney and you do not know a thing about criminal law so stop with all of the BS about president."
The word is "precedent". Try not to reveal your ignorance while lecturing others.
"You get help for your sickness."
Remove the bats from your own belfry first, buddy.
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Cheerleader Bob R,
You see wrong in my trusting spell check a bit to much and you are not a fan of Jasun's wardrobe choices, but you give Sam Adams a bye on molesting a child and lying about it to gain political power. You are freaking creepy....In my opinion.
You see wrong in my trusting spell check a bit to much and you are not a fan of Jasun's wardrobe choices, but you give Sam Adams a bye on molesting a child and lying about it to gain political power. You are freaking creepy....In my opinion.
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[Automatic copy-paste response, for none other is needed anymore: VanSmack is a troll profile created on February 18th for the purpose of insulting me and spreading lies about me. A cursory review of VanSmack's comment history will reveal a narrowly-focused personal vendetta -- however, VanSmack continues to choose to hide behind a pseudonym rather than deal with real people in the real world.]
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Wow
After all of that, I am so HAPPY that Jasun wore a hoodie. Where did everyone get the idea that attire was so important? Didn't you ever see "Gandhi?"
Evidently you all attended the Brain-washing School for Social Norms Adherence, whose curriculum didn't go deeply into the question of social norms adherence, and what the hell society expects from its MAYORS.
Get a life.
After all of that, I am so HAPPY that Jasun wore a hoodie. Where did everyone get the idea that attire was so important? Didn't you ever see "Gandhi?"
Evidently you all attended the Brain-washing School for Social Norms Adherence, whose curriculum didn't go deeply into the question of social norms adherence, and what the hell society expects from its MAYORS.
Get a life.
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Cheerleader Bob R,
You are such a cry baby. Sharing my personal opinion of you and the other members of the child abuse cheerleader squad is not spreading lies.
If anyone is a troll, it is you and your kind that post in support of Sam Adams. You all should be ashamed of yourselves.
You are such a cry baby. Sharing my personal opinion of you and the other members of the child abuse cheerleader squad is not spreading lies.
If anyone is a troll, it is you and your kind that post in support of Sam Adams. You all should be ashamed of yourselves.
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[Automatic copy-paste response, for none other is needed anymore: VanSmack is a troll profile created on February 18th for the purpose of insulting me and spreading lies about me. A cursory review of VanSmack's comment history will reveal a narrowly-focused personal vendetta -- however, VanSmack continues to choose to hide behind a pseudonym rather than deal with real people in the real world.]
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[Automatic copy-paste response, for none other is needed anymore: VanSmack is a troll profile created on February 18th for the purpose of insulting me and spreading lies about me. A cursory review of VanSmack's comment history will reveal a narrowly-focused personal vendetta -- however, VanSmack continues to choose to hide behind a pseudonym rather than deal with real people in the real world.]
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What do I win? Can I get a hoodie? I need to address City Council on Thursday, and I hear that hoodies are the rage nowdays.
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We can't all be winners all the time Bob. And lets face it, 2nd to last post is the first loser. :-P
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"And lets face it, 2nd to last post is the first loser. :-P"
[Invoking Stephen Colbert] "Noooooooooooooooooooooooo!"
[Invoking Stephen Colbert] "Noooooooooooooooooooooooo!"
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I was looking into getting one that said loser, (for you!) but apparently you have to special order those.
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$26 for a custom sash that says loser. I should totally order that. (If you are wearing a "loser" sash, are you still a winner cause you are a sash queen?)
http://www.sassysash.com/cyos.html
http://www.sassysash.com/cyos.html
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Do these all have to be creative?
What if some great calamity wipes out our civilization, and all that's left for future archaeologists to find is this comment thread?
What if some great calamity wipes out our civilization, and all that's left for future archaeologists to find is this comment thread?
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Yes, creativity is the only guarantee that you aren't using Eliza or something on the thread.
(And, if some calamity wipes out civilization but this thread is preserved, at least our feelings on hoodies will be well documented.)
(And, if some calamity wipes out civilization but this thread is preserved, at least our feelings on hoodies will be well documented.)
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But they do, "elucidate your thoughts" was an Eliza reference. :-)
So does this go on until one of us gets tired of it, someone intervenes, or civilization collapses? (I suppose all three are possible.)
So does this go on until one of us gets tired of it, someone intervenes, or civilization collapses? (I suppose all three are possible.)
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I don't remember that one, (although it has been 10 years since I coded an Eliza script, so...)
I think after 90 days, or something, you can't leave comments on the thread anymore. (But I may have that confused with the WW website.) That is only another month.
I think after 90 days, or something, you can't leave comments on the thread anymore. (But I may have that confused with the WW website.) That is only another month.
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"I think after 90 days, or something, you can't leave comments on the thread anymore."
Ahh, so all we have to do is work out just what "or something" is, down to the second, and then pounce at the last possible moment.
Doesn't the patent for childishly pouncing at the last possible moment belong to eBay or something?
Ahh, so all we have to do is work out just what "or something" is, down to the second, and then pounce at the last possible moment.
Doesn't the patent for childishly pouncing at the last possible moment belong to eBay or something?
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If I was wise I wouldn't have told you about that, I would have just waited until the last second and done it, but I'm not. And agreed on the childish thingee. Ebay actually tells you, you should bid how much you are willing to pay in the first place, and then it doesn't matter. If you get outbid, (at the last second or not,) you lose, and that is fine. And if you don't get outbid, then you win, at a price at or below what you are willing to pay. Sigh...
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Ahh, but there's another psychology that sometimes comes into play on eBay.
Sometimes there are people who don't correctly assess how much they really want an item. If they discover early on that they've been outbid automatically, they stew and think about it for awhile, and then up their bid, sometimes at the last minute. This can drive the price up unnecessarily.
If you're a person who happens to be bidding on something which you want, but don't really need, and you won't feel put out if you lose, it can be to your advantage to wait to the very last few seconds to bid what you are actually willing to pay -- the people who didn't properly self-assess would outbid you if there was a minute or two left, but won't be able to get their revised bid in if yours hits at the last minute.
All one needs to do is set an alarm in their favorite calendar program to remind them to go check the bid. Of course, if everybody did this, the strategy would not work ... but everybody *doesn't* do this, so there is an opportunity for the strategy to work sometimes.
Again, this only works for items where you are prepared to lose -- you just want a lower price in case you win.
Too much information?
PS... I knew there was a cutoff of some kind, because I've attempted to revise old threads here with new information only to find the threads closed. I just didn't know the cutoff date.
Sometimes there are people who don't correctly assess how much they really want an item. If they discover early on that they've been outbid automatically, they stew and think about it for awhile, and then up their bid, sometimes at the last minute. This can drive the price up unnecessarily.
If you're a person who happens to be bidding on something which you want, but don't really need, and you won't feel put out if you lose, it can be to your advantage to wait to the very last few seconds to bid what you are actually willing to pay -- the people who didn't properly self-assess would outbid you if there was a minute or two left, but won't be able to get their revised bid in if yours hits at the last minute.
All one needs to do is set an alarm in their favorite calendar program to remind them to go check the bid. Of course, if everybody did this, the strategy would not work ... but everybody *doesn't* do this, so there is an opportunity for the strategy to work sometimes.
Again, this only works for items where you are prepared to lose -- you just want a lower price in case you win.
Too much information?
PS... I knew there was a cutoff of some kind, because I've attempted to revise old threads here with new information only to find the threads closed. I just didn't know the cutoff date.
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No, no that is a good point. I've only bought 3 things on ebay in my life, so I hadn't really thought about it too much.
I think the cutoff date was only on the old software which they stopped using about a year ago. See this thread, (which is about 300 days old,) and note you can still post on it:
http://blogtown.portlandmercury.com/Blogto…
Good night. See you tomorrow.
I think the cutoff date was only on the old software which they stopped using about a year ago. See this thread, (which is about 300 days old,) and note you can still post on it:
http://blogtown.portlandmercury.com/Blogto…
Good night. See you tomorrow.
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Good morning. See you today?
I have a friend from out-of-town meeting me for lunch... I thought I'd take him by all the food trailers on 5th downtown, sort of a quintessential Portland experience, but it keeps insisting on raining. I guess that's quintessential too.
I have a friend from out-of-town meeting me for lunch... I thought I'd take him by all the food trailers on 5th downtown, sort of a quintessential Portland experience, but it keeps insisting on raining. I guess that's quintessential too.
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Inevitably, every time I go to Tabor, their are tourists there that want me to take their picture.
(And it was sunny when I got up this morning, and it will probably be again. I actually really like this kind of weather. Not overcast all day, not too cold, but a little rain now and then is nice.)
(And it was sunny when I got up this morning, and it will probably be again. I actually really like this kind of weather. Not overcast all day, not too cold, but a little rain now and then is nice.)
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How am I supposed to post something precisely 24 hours after your last comment, if the Blogtown web server is down? Grrr.
If there is indeed no more 90-day cutoff, perhaps we should set a standard for declaring victory and moving on?
I propose that the "winner" is:
1. The last person to post a comment within a 7-day (168 hour) period. (Camping season is coming up, after all...)
2. The "contest" ends the moment the final ajudicating _state_ or _local_ authority determines whether the recall-Sam petition gatherers have turned in the correct number of signatures.
3. (If a recount goes to the U.S. Supreme Court, forget about it. The contest is null and void, no winners. Otherwise, we're getting into Coleman-Franken territory, and nobody wants that.)
If there is indeed no more 90-day cutoff, perhaps we should set a standard for declaring victory and moving on?
I propose that the "winner" is:
1. The last person to post a comment within a 7-day (168 hour) period. (Camping season is coming up, after all...)
2. The "contest" ends the moment the final ajudicating _state_ or _local_ authority determines whether the recall-Sam petition gatherers have turned in the correct number of signatures.
3. (If a recount goes to the U.S. Supreme Court, forget about it. The contest is null and void, no winners. Otherwise, we're getting into Coleman-Franken territory, and nobody wants that.)
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I like those rules. (Camping on the thread season, you mean? :-)
But what about all the other threads? There are thousands of threads on blogtown that we can compete to be the last poster on, why limit ourselves to just this one? We could totally bring down the server, or at least, beat A CAT for number of comments.
But what about all the other threads? There are thousands of threads on blogtown that we can compete to be the last poster on, why limit ourselves to just this one? We could totally bring down the server, or at least, beat A CAT for number of comments.
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While beating "A CAT" (as opposed to "beating a cat") has its appeal.
But as for winning, you see, this thread has a special significance, back when the slur troll declared victory and ran off back on March 22nd.
In order for the contest to spread to new threads, I think it a necessary component that a troll (who for the sake of purity shouldn't be aware of the contest pact) attacks, declares "victory", and then vanishes. After that point, the thread is fair game for _anyone_ to enter and declare victory.
But you and I have a leg up in this competition, because only you and I (and any lurkers still reading) now know the rules... you can't win if you don't know the rules!
(In fact, I would expect that you or I should make bold declarations in other threads about how various behavior violates "the contest rules", but never link back to this thread. Why do other people's homework for them?)
PS... We need to add one other safety valve to the rules... there is a loophole which could prevent an _authority_ from determining whether there are enough signatures. If the recall-Sam people fail to turn in any signatures for verification by the deadline, then the deadline itself ends the contest. And by "recall-Sam" I mean Jasun's organization, not some new, credible group.
But as for winning, you see, this thread has a special significance, back when the slur troll declared victory and ran off back on March 22nd.
In order for the contest to spread to new threads, I think it a necessary component that a troll (who for the sake of purity shouldn't be aware of the contest pact) attacks, declares "victory", and then vanishes. After that point, the thread is fair game for _anyone_ to enter and declare victory.
But you and I have a leg up in this competition, because only you and I (and any lurkers still reading) now know the rules... you can't win if you don't know the rules!
(In fact, I would expect that you or I should make bold declarations in other threads about how various behavior violates "the contest rules", but never link back to this thread. Why do other people's homework for them?)
PS... We need to add one other safety valve to the rules... there is a loophole which could prevent an _authority_ from determining whether there are enough signatures. If the recall-Sam people fail to turn in any signatures for verification by the deadline, then the deadline itself ends the contest. And by "recall-Sam" I mean Jasun's organization, not some new, credible group.
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Can it be any troll? Or does it have to be that specific troll? And on the other threads, breaking "the contest rules" is kind of like Calvinball right? I mean, we just complain about random problems, cause we can. (Because nobody will break our rules unless someone is already playing this game on anther thread and we don't know. And even so, posting on this thread after the contest is over isn't against the rules, it just makes you a loser.)
And what if Jasun's group somehow becomes credible? I guess technically, it would have to in order for it to stand a chance to get the signatures, but...
And what if Jasun's group somehow becomes credible? I guess technically, it would have to in order for it to stand a chance to get the signatures, but...
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I may have to get back to you after I hear from my lawyer for clarification, but in the meantime:
Yes, it can be any troll, so long as both you and I reasonably believe that said troll is not purposefully subverting our general welfare by abusing the rules.
Yes, precisely like Calvinball, only more bloggy/less bally and with different uniforms.
If Jasun's group becomes credible, that's OK (for the rules, anyway)... the exclusion applies to groups wich are both new, and credible, at the same time.
Yes, it can be any troll, so long as both you and I reasonably believe that said troll is not purposefully subverting our general welfare by abusing the rules.
Yes, precisely like Calvinball, only more bloggy/less bally and with different uniforms.
If Jasun's group becomes credible, that's OK (for the rules, anyway)... the exclusion applies to groups wich are both new, and credible, at the same time.
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Okay, so new uncredible group, like Westboro Baptist Church, getting involved, and then fail to turn in signatures, or don't turn in enough or do, they count, right? And what if there are more than one group, is it the first to one with enough signatures and if none of them do, then the last one to get rejected, or?
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No, no, no. :-)
The only non-credible group we are considering is the original Jasun-operated group. He clearly took the iniative where no others would step in. To reward other uncredible groups at this late date would only serve to to take the spotlight away from Jasun's accomplishments.
The only non-credible group we are considering is the original Jasun-operated group. He clearly took the iniative where no others would step in. To reward other uncredible groups at this late date would only serve to to take the spotlight away from Jasun's accomplishments.
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"Jasun's accomplishments" I like the sound of that. Can I invite some people from the suburbs to the worst restaurant in town and call it a press conference too?
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Yes, you can, as long as there are cheap cocktails so I can join you and drown the bad food out of my taste buds.
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Well, the press will be hanging out at Club 21 (which does have cheap cocktails, I don't know about bad food though, I should try it,) on Thursday, for the "Defending team Russel's crown" conference. (Probably nobody from the suburbs though.) Are you any good at trivia?
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Not very good at trivia games ... my mind is full of useless, trivial information, just not in alignment with most of the stuff that goes into trivia games.
However, I'm a whiz at electronic "catch phrase", and so is my partner, to the point that our friends usually don't let us team up. :-)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch_Phrase_…)
(PS... The 2nd edition sucks. It fixes all the minor flaws in the 1st addition while simultaneously introducing more annoying flaws.)
However, I'm a whiz at electronic "catch phrase", and so is my partner, to the point that our friends usually don't let us team up. :-)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch_Phrase_…)
(PS... The 2nd edition sucks. It fixes all the minor flaws in the 1st addition while simultaneously introducing more annoying flaws.)
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Hmm, we'd have to lobby Alison to change the blogtown drinking party, and given that I can't even bribe her into giving me Grey Gardens tickets, I may not be the man for the job.
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Well, Adams' supporters only support him because of his designated sexual-orientation. Doesn't surprise me the only thing they care about within the opposition, are the clothes they're wearing.
Safe, Sound, and Green Streets Proposal: Adams' Crown Jewel as Transportation Commissioner. Where was he during the hours leading up to the press conference for the launch? Brow beating the City Attorney's office into playing support center, on tax payer time, for minorities upset about minority issues. He was then politically blind-sided and his proposal got shredded.
Political idiot.
Adams feels his minority status entitles him to special treatment, as evidenced by his initially denying the allegations made against him; and couching the attack as a homosexual witch-hunt. Never mind his accuser is openly gay. Never mind that homosexuality never came up in the allegations. It was Adams' false position that he was being attacked solely because of his sexual orientation.
Might manipulate minority status at will to hide bad, even illegal, behavior.
Adams runs on a populist platform, well known (Whether true or not I don't know.) for opposing the opening of a Wal-Mart, yet a giant Ikea box-store went in on his watch with the support of the city.
He will mislead you to get your vote.
This guy ain't nothing. It's horrible for the LBGT&Q community to have a guy like this out there. He is at once both the worst nightmares of the gay AND straight communities alike. He's doing all the things that give homophobes their ammo, while selling out the gay community to cover his rear.
Na, I'm a bit stodgy, but I could care less what consenting adults do. I actually commend Adams on his ability to score a little teen-tail at his age. Gives ME hope. Hehe. It's the utterly mediocre foibales that get under my skin. This guy was supposed to be awesome, turns out he's just another opportunistic, lying politicain.
Entitled minority, convinced the only reason people may not approve is because of his sexual orientation.
Admitted liar.
Politically not all that swift.
Now completely shut-down because of all the contra, and he's making his cycling support mad because he's not really delivered much.
It's getting to the point of ridiculous. Supporters, take a long hard look. I feel ya. It's time for some new blood, but is this the guy?
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Safe, Sound, and Green Streets Proposal: Adams' Crown Jewel as Transportation Commissioner. Where was he during the hours leading up to the press conference for the launch? Brow beating the City Attorney's office into playing support center, on tax payer time, for minorities upset about minority issues. He was then politically blind-sided and his proposal got shredded.
Political idiot.
Adams feels his minority status entitles him to special treatment, as evidenced by his initially denying the allegations made against him; and couching the attack as a homosexual witch-hunt. Never mind his accuser is openly gay. Never mind that homosexuality never came up in the allegations. It was Adams' false position that he was being attacked solely because of his sexual orientation.
Might manipulate minority status at will to hide bad, even illegal, behavior.
Adams runs on a populist platform, well known (Whether true or not I don't know.) for opposing the opening of a Wal-Mart, yet a giant Ikea box-store went in on his watch with the support of the city.
He will mislead you to get your vote.
This guy ain't nothing. It's horrible for the LBGT&Q community to have a guy like this out there. He is at once both the worst nightmares of the gay AND straight communities alike. He's doing all the things that give homophobes their ammo, while selling out the gay community to cover his rear.
Na, I'm a bit stodgy, but I could care less what consenting adults do. I actually commend Adams on his ability to score a little teen-tail at his age. Gives ME hope. Hehe. It's the utterly mediocre foibales that get under my skin. This guy was supposed to be awesome, turns out he's just another opportunistic, lying politicain.
Entitled minority, convinced the only reason people may not approve is because of his sexual orientation.
Admitted liar.
Politically not all that swift.
Now completely shut-down because of all the contra, and he's making his cycling support mad because he's not really delivered much.
It's getting to the point of ridiculous. Supporters, take a long hard look. I feel ya. It's time for some new blood, but is this the guy?
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Matthew -
Yay, we have a new friend!
Unfortunately, Vance has violated the rules by posting without first completing form 27B-6, but I'm willing to give him a pass this one time if you are. What do you think?
Yay, we have a new friend!
Unfortunately, Vance has violated the rules by posting without first completing form 27B-6, but I'm willing to give him a pass this one time if you are. What do you think?
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We can let him get away with it this time. If, somehow, the contest ended between 1:09 and 1:33 on Friday, then he will be the winner if he fills out the 27B-6 and a 27X explaining the delay within a week.
(Vance: You have a point, but the other question is, who would be mayor instead? Sho? Sho doesn't appeal to the people that voted for Sam in the first place. For instance, a 12 lane CRC would be fine with Sho and he wouldn't understand why anyone would feel any differently. Would that somehow be better than Sam? No, not at all.)
(Vance: You have a point, but the other question is, who would be mayor instead? Sho? Sho doesn't appeal to the people that voted for Sam in the first place. For instance, a 12 lane CRC would be fine with Sho and he wouldn't understand why anyone would feel any differently. Would that somehow be better than Sam? No, not at all.)
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Two things going for Sho:
1. He was clearly the winner in the east-side lawn sign wars. If he can just convert lawn signs into votes the 2nd time around, he's on his way.
2. Now that his restauarant has apparently folded, the tax scandal surrounding it shouldn't be such a major issue. Now he just has to tout a business that actually runs profitably and meets its obligations.
Query:
Can a person fill out their 27B-6 and 27X whilst riding the 99X?
1. He was clearly the winner in the east-side lawn sign wars. If he can just convert lawn signs into votes the 2nd time around, he's on his way.
2. Now that his restauarant has apparently folded, the tax scandal surrounding it shouldn't be such a major issue. Now he just has to tout a business that actually runs profitably and meets its obligations.
Query:
Can a person fill out their 27B-6 and 27X whilst riding the 99X?
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But the people that voted for Sho the first time will vote for him again. The question is, what about the people on the fence, and those people are probably pro-12 lanes, so...
That place has folded? I know they stopped maintaining their sign, (it is missing letters,) but it still looks like a semi-going concern, (i.e. they didn't take the sign down completely.) It looked good, I was going to get around to eating there eventually, until I found out that they refused to pay their rent over a parking disagreement.
No, you can only fill out the 27B-6 and 27X while riding the 95X. Ohh, wait, that got canceled because only one person ever rode it in the first place.
That place has folded? I know they stopped maintaining their sign, (it is missing letters,) but it still looks like a semi-going concern, (i.e. they didn't take the sign down completely.) It looked good, I was going to get around to eating there eventually, until I found out that they refused to pay their rent over a parking disagreement.
No, you can only fill out the 27B-6 and 27X while riding the 95X. Ohh, wait, that got canceled because only one person ever rode it in the first place.
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Thank you for offering one.
The point isn't about the carbon content, it is about appearances. Doing winter sports downtown 2 days before June with trucked in snow is kind of like driving a Hummer. Just because you can, doesn't make it a good idea...
The point isn't about the carbon content, it is about appearances. Doing winter sports downtown 2 days before June with trucked in snow is kind of like driving a Hummer. Just because you can, doesn't make it a good idea...
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Oh I totally agree about appearances... plus I have a whole list of issues with square policies and how that jibes with, you know, actual printed laws.
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Agreed. It wasn't that long ago in this city that we rounded up the undesirables and sold them to ship captains as forced labor. We've got a dark side in this city and every so often it comes out.
(Although: Can we do something about the preacher? He bugs me.)
(Although: Can we do something about the preacher? He bugs me.)
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Well I am not from Portland, But I just want to point out, His name is Jason, It goes by Jasun just to get away from his family! A family that he does not care to talk to. Just a little fun fact! And better yet, He does not talk to parts of his family due to the fact that they are part of the LGBT community.
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Very interesting. He certainly doesn't mention that when he talks. Is he from Kansas? We are fairly xenophobic around here, (as much as we like to claim otherwise,) so I'm sure that that info would be put to good use...
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The (alleged) factoids which can pop up in a thread that's just shy of 3 months old are really quite amazing sometimes.
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Indeed. We should be able to verify his story though. There are two Wursters in KS, (but neither in 67731.)
http://whitepages.anywho.com/results.php?R…
But a little bit of searching may find out if any are his family, (and maybe if they are out,) and then a phone call or might yield some interesting gossip. I'll do the searching when I have a minute, (not now.)
And then the recall campaign would fall on it's face when it is revealed that it is being run entirely, (not just mostly,) by homophobes, from out of town. Of course it could also just be a troll...
http://whitepages.anywho.com/results.php?R…
But a little bit of searching may find out if any are his family, (and maybe if they are out,) and then a phone call or might yield some interesting gossip. I'll do the searching when I have a minute, (not now.)
And then the recall campaign would fall on it's face when it is revealed that it is being run entirely, (not just mostly,) by homophobes, from out of town. Of course it could also just be a troll...
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No he is not from Kansas, He is kind of from all over, His mother was in the
Air Force and moved often, but he was born in Pennsylvania. I really only wanted to add to the topic to add to some of the facts about Jason. And I can a sure you I am not "troll-bait".. But I guess to save myself from legal problems I can not say that anything I know is fact. I have to say "To the best of what I know" But as his brother I may not know him all that well but I do know just how little I believe he cares about family! And to point you in a better way, He spent a lot of time if Fort Collins, CO.
Air Force and moved often, but he was born in Pennsylvania. I really only wanted to add to the topic to add to some of the facts about Jason. And I can a sure you I am not "troll-bait".. But I guess to save myself from legal problems I can not say that anything I know is fact. I have to say "To the best of what I know" But as his brother I may not know him all that well but I do know just how little I believe he cares about family! And to point you in a better way, He spent a lot of time if Fort Collins, CO.
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