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Tuesday, April 14, 2009

Input of Hundreds "Appreciated" at Rose Quarter Open House

Posted by Sarah Mirk on Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 9:13 PM

The mood was tense as Mayor Sam Adams waded out into the crowd of neighbors, urban planners and Winterhawks fans with a microphone, searching for questions. There were a lot. A crowd of about 250 packed Leftbank tonight wanting answers about the proposed Rose Quarter redevelopment plan, which involves tearing down Memorial Coliseum to make room for the Beavers AAA ballpark. Adams announced the plan last week and Council votes on the ballpark siting April 22nd.

"How can we spend money on this when there are so many other services and what happens if Paulson walks away from us?" said Adams, repeating a citizen's brief oration about cuts to homeless funding, "Okay, good question."

Several members of the audience echoed the Little Dubai sentiment, asking why the plan to revitalize the Rose Quarter with 235,000 square feet of retail, a 2,500 seat theater and the new stadium was moving on such a fast timeline.

Some citizens did not parse their words, given the face-to-face opportunity with the mayor. "It's like tearing down a Rothko and putting up a Dumpster!" said one designer. "I think there's a lot of ego and greed involved in this. There's no way we can 'respectfully' tear down Memorial Coliseum!" said an aging lady, forcefully.

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One aspect of the plan that raised particular ire was the city is prioritizing saving two parking garages at the north edge of the Rose Quarter rather than saving the Coliseum. The Major League Soccer deal worked out with Merritt Paulson relies on funds from the spectator fund, which the parking garages pay into.

After collecting 50 questions on 10 large sheets at the front of the room, Adams and his small team presented briefly on the city's current working options for the district and then ripped through the answers, spending between 15 and 30 seconds on each question.

In regards to the fast timeline, Adams stressed that there has been decades of planning for the Rose Quarter, but little action. To his left, a poster listed the nine plans for the area that have been implemented since 1988. "Finally, after decades of planning, we can have a mixed-use ecodistrict in the Rose Quarter," said Adams, noting that the fast timeline is due to both Major League Soccer's deadlines and that the bonds to fund the MLS deal expire in 2013. "We will not use money for this deal that would otherwise be spent on services," Adams promised.

To the passionate arguments against tearing down Memorial Coliseum, Adams said, briefly, "It can be purposed, reused and recycled." Another veterans memorial will be built elsewhere in the city, he promised. "I really appreciated your input tonight," concluded Mayor Adams.

At the end of the evening, there was still an air of discontent among the crowd.
"This is a total joke," said Portland Architecture writer Brian Libby, who is among the locals pushing to get Memorial Coliseum placed on the National Register of Historic Places ASAP. "If they tear down Memorial Coliseum to save a parking garage, it will be one of the single greatest acts of idiocy City Council has ever committed. Why are we even here? We shouldn't have to even have this conversation."

"I think he's trying to defuse public anger," observed Will Macht, a PSU urban planning professor who recently penned the article Coliseum Choices: An Asset too Valuable to Demolish. "The plan is not deliberate, it has not considered all the options in a professional way."

New pictures of the proposed ballpark location, plus a thought about how one creates 10,000 jobs in five years, all below the cut.

Sorry these are blurry, but you get the picture. The first option saves the parking garages at the north end of the district, placing the ballpark a few blocks off Broadway. The red-outlined building to the south of the ballpark is the planned Rose Quarter Live! development. Since this is a highly budget-driven process, it's worth noting that this is cheapest idea.

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The second option puts the ballpark right on Broadway.
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Something we didn't point out in the Little Dubai piece and no one mentioned at the open house, either: while all this tearing down and construction is creating controversy, it's also going to create jobs. When Sam announced his goal to create 10,000 Portland jobs in five years I was skeptical it could realistically happen. But if he keeps pushing big, fast-paced projects like this, the mayor could hit his 10,000 jobs goal on target.

Beautiful crowd photos courtesy of Matt Davis. Blurry photos courtesy of my shitty Canon Powershot A540.

 

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Sure you can create 10,000 temporary jobs if you don't care how much you borrow. Loan me a $100 million. I'll create you some jobs.

Charrette: Planners come "listen" to you for an hour and do what they were going to do anyway.
Posted by Blabby on April 14, 2009 at 9:27 PM · Report
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I would call it not a charrette but a charade -- a charade of yeah, we're listening, but not really, because we've already made up our minds. Now they can just check off the "public process" box on their list. I haven't witnessed such blatant disregard for public opinion since the Bush administration. But that makes sense, given that we're getting into a deal with the son of George Bush's treasury secretary (and his family's "personal [financial] guarantee").

Saltzman is the swing vote, starting at tomorrow's council hearing to approve the predevelopment agreement.

dan@ci.portland.or.us
Posted by Paul Cone on April 14, 2009 at 9:41 PM · Report
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But, Paul! It's going to be a world-class, sustainable parking garage!

And you're not just getting into a deal with the son of George Bush's treasury secretary - you're getting into a deal with the man you helped elect who's making it all possible. Paulson's a dick, but he's doing what dicks do, and that's take advantage of rubes.

Adams is the one selling you down the Willamette.
Posted by Kincardine on April 14, 2009 at 10:23 PM · Report
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Hasty process and questionable budget priorities aside, please help me here. Memorial Colliseum is an antiquated eyesore with virtually no redeeming spectator features and the engagement calendar of an unloved spinster. And you want to save it... why? Because once upon a time it hosted some great Blazers teams? I can't believe I'm rooting for parking garages, but at least people use them.
Posted by SaveThis on April 14, 2009 at 10:36 PM · Report
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I am all for saving historic buildings, but someone needs to explain to me the significance of the Memorial Coliseum. It looks ugly to me.

Is this some sort of architectural retro-appreciation thing? It's just a boring box. And I even have sentimental reasons to appreciate it - I saw a Blazer game there as a kid.
Posted by wink0151 on April 14, 2009 at 10:46 PM · Report
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Oh, yeah, I forgot -- "eco-district" is what they call it now. Eco-parking garages and all, is what I guess that means.
Posted by Paul Cone on April 14, 2009 at 10:54 PM · Report
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I haven't lived here long enough to know anything about Memorial Coliseum. I don't even know what it looks like. That being said, I'm all about preserving old buildings rather than destroying them. However, 9 out of 10 opinions I've heard say it's not worth saving.

Also. Adams has some balls. For him to wade out into this crowd like that and take unscripted questions, and for him to stand before a group of press taking hostile question after hostile question at the outbreak of the Breedlove scandal, you have to give him credit for that. He's willing to put himself under fire.
Posted by Will Radik on April 15, 2009 at 3:30 AM · Report
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I just educated myself by looking at some pictures on the interwebs. I like the coliseum. I don't think it should be torn down.
Posted by Will Radik on April 15, 2009 at 3:43 AM · Report
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wow. I always get to these things way too late. I agree with WR about saving the Coliseum. I believe my neighbor Tom would agree. Maybe not.

The Steel Bridge is still, and will always be the hardest working bridge in Portland, sitting right next to it's garden and esplanade immediately to the east. That and the grain silo should be the draw for the fans standing in the stands of a new field pledging allegiance to something. But I'm from Cleveland.

Hope this story never dies, it just keeps delivering.
Posted by Lt. Billiam Esquire III on April 15, 2009 at 6:19 AM · Report
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The Colesium was a signifcant modernist structure when it was created and widely known in architecture circles. I think the glass enclosure around the functional inards was the big thing.

I'm not crazy about it. Like a lot of modernist movement it hasn't aged well.

My main issue is the ridiculous speed and unknown expense of the two stadium projects. And bringing a cheesy ass "entertainment district" to the Rose Quarter. And this "public involvement" nonsense.

"How do you feel about this?"
"I don't like it."
"Fine. That was your involvement. Now fuck off."
Posted by Blabby on April 15, 2009 at 9:24 AM · Report
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I think it's a shame they might tear down Memorial Coliseum. I saw a mighty good Grateful Dead show there in the early 80's. I might forget all about that experience if the Coliseum isn't there to remind me of it.
Posted by infoart on April 15, 2009 at 9:29 AM · Report
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Not in love with Memorial but I agree this seems like a done deal. The valued input from citizens is clearly for show. I agree with Blabbs - the whole entertainment district idea sounds like major suckitude. We need another fluorescent lit mall apparently???
Posted by Abusive on April 15, 2009 at 9:37 AM · Report
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What happened to the idea of putting the baseball stadium at the Portland Schools site, on the north side of Broadway?
Posted by Geraghty on April 15, 2009 at 9:40 AM · Report
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I drove around the area last night at around 9pm after I got off of work. Glimpsed the structure while going up Grand, I think, then when I circled around I couldn't find it and I went home. The glimpse I got was kind of intriguing,low-slung, sleek, simple, looked like it would make an AMAZING tropical butterfly garden. Bottom line is, a mystery building that's hard to find seemed so, well, PORTLAND. The problem here seems to be a lack of imagination, (on the part of say, people who have racy encounters in restrooms with adolescents), about what to do with our glass mystique-holding architectural puzzle.
Posted by gonetorio on April 15, 2009 at 9:55 AM · Report
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I drove around the area last night at around 9pm after I got off of work. Glimpsed the structure while going up Grand, I think, then when I circled around I couldn't find it and I went home. The glimpse I got was kind of intriguing,low-slung, sleek, simple, looked like it would make an AMAZING tropical butterfly garden. Bottom line is, a mystery building that's hard to find seemed so, well, PORTLAND. The problem here seems to be a lack of imagination, (on the part of say, people who have racy encounters in restrooms with adolescents), about what to do with our glass mystique-holding architectural puzzle.
Posted by gonetorio on April 15, 2009 at 9:56 AM · Report
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"Ecodistrict"? The stench of bullshit coming off of that word is so strong it makes me wanna punch somebody. By claiming that 12-lane bridges and corporate-chain entertainment venues are "green", Sam Adams is going to turn Portland's sustainability movement into a joke (if he hasn't already). Fuck him.
Posted by john t on April 15, 2009 at 9:56 AM · Report
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For those of you wondering why the Memorial Coliseum is worth saving architecturally, there are some good posts and comments over at the Portland Architecture blog, including details about latest twist in this saga (the City of Portland is looking to tear down Memorial Coliseum in order to preserve a PARKING GARAGE).

http://chatterbox.typepad.com/portlandarch…
Posted by Paul Cone on April 15, 2009 at 10:03 AM · Report
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Geraghty: I read elsewhere (but sorry, can't remember where -- the Portland Architecture blog maybe) that the school district won't be ready to move out of that building in time ... which, of course, is another reason for questioning why this proposal has to be fast-tracked to the degree it is.

I already said in the comments for the "Little Dubai" story that I don't get all the love for the Coliseum. "Eyesore" may be going to far, but Brian Libby actually compared the potential loss of this building to the loss of NYC's McKim, Mead & White-designed Penn Station. Please! At best, this modernist "gem" is bland enough that a clever design team could augment the site with other buildings and/or landscaping and make the whole site into something pleasing. But that's hardly a persuasive argument for enshrining the tedium as one of Portland's great building.

OTOH, razing it to save those hideous, soul-sucking parking garages? So much for sustainability. And so much for any opportunity for any kind of locally flavored life in the dead zone we call the Rose Quarter. The problem with an area so overwhelmed with bureaucratic planning is that you end up needing Cordish-style enterprise to make anything of it, because anyone with any appreciation for genuine neighborhoods will sensibly stay far, far away.
Posted by Michael M. on April 15, 2009 at 10:14 AM · Report
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Brian Libby, the only idiocy is coming from your mouth. So sorry you had to waste your precious time to have this conversation. The fact that architects are so attached to this building is a good reason to tear it down, imo, considering the ego-driven monuments of crap that many of these same tasteless architects blight our city with. The building is solid, but was an urban planning blunder from the start; building our future around it doesn't make much sense. Make sure the veterans get a better memorial as part of the redevelopment.
Posted by Unit on April 15, 2009 at 10:16 AM · Report
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Remember, folks: let this debacle unfold and you'll get to see some overpaid athletes chase a ball around a field! What a reward!

Posted by Chunty McHutchence on April 15, 2009 at 10:22 AM · Report
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Can the rising numbers of homeless and wandering mentallty ill folks sleep in the new baseball stadium on the 200+ days a year it won't be in active use?
Posted by Number Six on April 15, 2009 at 10:35 AM · Report
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So...they've been talking about what to do with the Coliseum since the Blazers stopped playing in that building like 15 years ago.

I find it odd so many want the thing saved now yet weren't screaming mad about the way the building was literally falling apart over the last 15 years.

So clarify this for me. If they save the thing we're going to have to spend $50 million gutting it and putting something else inside the glass walls right?
Posted by BlackedOut on April 15, 2009 at 11:04 AM · Report
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Six years ago we did a case study of the Rose Quarter in a urban planing class I took at PSU. We found that this is a very complicated place. The most important thing we found out was that the Rose Quarter Corp. has 'first right of refusal' on all and any projects. That means that all of this talk is about as useful as a hamsters hemorrhoid unless it makes them money.

What is really going here is Sam Adams is building a fort of capital projects around himself in an attempt to stave off a recall vote.

First it was the bridge, then the soccer team/stadium, now the Rose Quarter; he is also moving ahead on the Burnside bridge-MLK interchange. He also tried to get the Rose Quarter mega hotel off the ground until the Nines reported problems in cash flow. Whats next?

This is just a big show to try to make himself irreplaceable. By going into the recall with all of these projects on the board don't you think that some unions, construction companies, developers, team owners... would want him to stay on as mayor? Sam Adams is betting on it.
Posted by Vert on April 15, 2009 at 11:20 AM · Report
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@Vert

The recall effort never had a chance. They will never be able to get enough signatures.
Posted by BlackedOut on April 15, 2009 at 11:42 AM · Report
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Can not wait for the recall. I have a list of nearly 600 people that will sign on the dotted line. right now. I am sure I will have over 1000 by July 2, 2009.
Posted by VanSmack on April 15, 2009 at 12:46 PM · Report
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@VanSmack

You're aware they have to be from PDX right? Unlike the doofuses that go in front of city hall to complain they can't be from Lake Oswego, Vancouver and West Linn.
Posted by BlackedOut on April 15, 2009 at 12:52 PM · Report
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This is blatant mis-reporting of what happened last night. when confronted with the schools, streets, homeless question Sam spoke at length about why the financing for this project couldn't be accessed for those things AND he talked at length about what the Paulson family is doing to guarantee these projects so they can't just walk away.

But that's to lazy to report right?

I also love how you completely failed to understand the parking garage issue. FACT: the Memorial Coliseum costs taxpayers about $500,000 a year right now because it operates at a loss and is an aging, decrepit building with lots of upkeep needs. Who pays for that half a million? Why the Stadium and Facilities Fund. And what is the major contributor to that fund? Revenue from the city owned parking garages.

So if you tear down the damn garages to keep the Colesium you are gonna have to find half a million or more from the general fund just to keep that building open.
Posted by Finnegan on April 15, 2009 at 2:14 PM · Report
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monorail monorail monorail!

Marge: I think the money should be spent on something the whole town can be proud of.
Homer: Like a giant Billboard that says "no fat chicks"?
Posted by kiojn on April 15, 2009 at 4:28 PM · Report
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Garrett,

No worries. They are all from Portland and not one of them is a registered sex offender like most of the supporters of Sam Adams are.

I know sex offenders and members of NAMBLA are looking at the recall of Sam as a battle ground issue. What those low lives do not understand is those of us that feel child molesters and liars should not hold public office are looking at this fight the same way.
Posted by VanSmack on April 15, 2009 at 5:23 PM · Report
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There are some other sites around the Rose Quarter which haven't gotten too much attention. Namely the art installments stained the color of the Statue of Liberty- The crown Ms. Liberty threw to the west coast and one of her wings standing in front of the parking garages across the street.

http://portlandtried.blogspot.com
Posted by Lt. Billiam Esquire III on April 15, 2009 at 5:45 PM · Report

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