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Monday, May 18, 2009

Washington Official Questions $4bn CRC

Posted by Matt Davis on Mon, May 18, 2009 at 2:00 PM

The top Southwest Washington transportation official has told the Columbian newspaper $4 billion is too much for the Columbia River Crossing:

"Just like most of us in the real world, we dream about the car we want," Wagner said in a wide-ranging interview last week. "And at some point, stark reality says, 'Huh. I dream about it, but I don't have quite enough money to get it all today. Maybe I need to take off a few of the options off of this car.' And we are starting those conversations right now."

Maybe if we scratch the light rail and the bike lanes, we could save a few hundred million?

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"Maybe if we scratch the light rail and the bike lanes, we could save a few hundred million?"

Way to bait a blog war, Matt. :-)

Posted by Bob R. on May 18, 2009 at 2:09 PM | Report this comment

Surprising that you haven't yet reported what every other media outlet in town is reporting - that the most likely possibilities on the table to reduce costs are delaying redesigning a couple of the interchanges, and having one fewer lane in each direction... Exactly what you've been editorializing in favor of for months...

I guess being against something (see: stadiums) is more fun than being for something and taking responsibility if it doesn't work out?

Posted by Stu on May 18, 2009 at 2:17 PM | Report this comment

Keep Vancouver normal. Stop the crime train and the fag path!

Was that what you were hoping for, Matt? I've got more where that came from...

Posted by Carl on May 18, 2009 at 3:13 PM | Report this comment

Hahah. "fag path". Sounds like a party.

Posted by Will Radik on May 18, 2009 at 3:31 PM | Report this comment

Matt, Mr investigative reporter, what would it cost to:

Seismically retrofit the existing I5 bridge and expand it on either side to add one extra lane per direction
Devote one lane to trucks only
Make all drivers pay tolls except trucks, which have their own lanes.
Build an extra stand-alone rail and bike bridge

And while your at it, can you get the opinion of a traffic engineer?




Posted by gonetorio on May 18, 2009 at 7:23 PM | Report this comment

"Make all drivers pay tolls except trucks, which have their own lanes.
Build an extra stand-alone rail and bike bridge "

That's called a subsidy for the truckers, which is an unfair market advantage consider railroads are privately financed and get no such advantages.

Posted by ws on May 18, 2009 at 11:20 PM | Report this comment

"That's called a subsidy for the truckers, which is an unfair market advantage consider railroads are privately financed and get no such advantages."

And the entire CRC as it stands now isn't one in the first place?

Posted by Matthew D (d/b/a Really Not A Cat) on May 19, 2009 at 12:53 AM | Report this comment

For clarification, every semi-truck on the road pays $550 a year for the privilege of driving on federal highways. The feds, in turn, use this money to subsidize the railroads. That $550 is charged for the whole year, unless the truck is wrecked and sold for scrap. If I bought a truck (which I have done in the past) and use it for ,say, 5 months and then sell it, I'm still responsible for the whole $550, unless the new owner agrees to pay the rest of the year. By the way, you can pay the fee quarterly, which a lot of truckers do.

Posted by ujfoyt on May 19, 2009 at 4:39 AM | Report this comment

Matt are you lazy or dumb? Either your lazy and didn't even read the article you linked to or your really really dumb and bad at reading comprehension.

What part of the following quotes from Wagner didn't you understand:

"Possible cuts include delaying one or more of the interchange projects and slicing off a bridge lane in each direction, he said."

AND

"Wagner said he doesn't believe it's politically possible to replace the Interstate 5 Bridge without extending light rail into Vancouver and predicted the crossing project would be on "life support" if voters shoot down a light-rail measure."

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Saving another $750 million by killing light rail isn't going to happen, Wagner said.

"The two sides of the river have to come together on what's going to happen," he said. "And on the Clark County side, while there is growing support for light rail, I am going to stop way short of saying that everybody likes light rail because I've certainly had enough people tell me that they don't like light rail."

Seriously dude, even by your standards this is pathetic.

Posted by Finnegan on May 19, 2009 at 10:38 AM | Report this comment

"For clarification, every semi-truck on the road pays $550 a year for the privilege of driving on federal highways. The feds, in turn, use this money to subsidize the railroads."

Freight rail is a private industry. Their rail lines were built by the industry, not by the government.

There may be a few lines that are not doing well, but you need some evidence before you put these false accusations out.

Trucks, bar none, do the most damage to roads but pay the least in proportion to the damage they cause.. They also go slower than cars, take up more space, and create congestion. We need trucks, but our roads are saturated.

Posted by ws on May 19, 2009 at 11:01 AM | Report this comment

Yes, they pay $550/year, but put that number in context. Considering that a good trucker does about 100,000 miles/year, that works out to less than a penny a mile. A lot of people pay more in registration fees for their cars. And asphalt damage is proportional to weight to the 4th power, so a truck does much more damage than a car in the first place.

Posted by Matthew D (d/b/a Really Not A Cat) on May 19, 2009 at 11:53 AM | Report this comment

@Matthew D: If you can find the information, you will, I think, be highly surprised how much money the State of Oregon makes every year on road taaxes on trucks and diesel fuel. Look it up. I don't know where to look cause I'm not a computer whiz. I know that I bought my last truck (licensed in Washington) for $18,000, drove it for three years and was still paying excise tax on $18,000, even though the value had gone down. If you really look into what the trucking industry pays every year to the various entities, you will be quite surprised. IMHO

Posted by ujfoyt on May 19, 2009 at 3:21 PM | Report this comment
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Trucks cause the most damage to the interstate* and they pay the most. Makes sense.

*In temperate climates like west of the Cascades. In regions where the ground freezes often in the winter, weather causes the most damage.

Posted by ragold on May 19, 2009 at 9:09 PM | Report this comment

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