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      <![CDATA[fuck the blazers.  the blazers suck.  merritt paulson should bulldoze the rose garden and build the beavers a new stadium there.  and fuck the children.  we all know they won't use their education anyways.  we can just hire them right away to do all the work.  i know nothing tastes better than a polish dog and a beer served by a tired, sweaty, malnourished 12 year old just trying to earn an honest buck.  and don't get me started on the homeless.  lazy fucking bastards.  why are we wasting our money on them when there are stadiums to remodel and build?<br>
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wouldn't it be great if we could all collectively spew random uninformed bullshit on the internet under the guise of anonymity?  oh wait, that is what we're doing.<br>
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face it.  everything that you anti-mls people have against this, other than personal bias, is several month old information that was clarified for you 15 times on this page alone.  you try to feign some kind of superiority, but everyone can see how painfully hypocritical you are.<br>
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fuck shittle.
        
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      <![CDATA[OK, all of you folks that care so much about education, roads, etc...<br>
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Are you ready to abolish the kicker? That would solve plenty of these problems. Unfortunately most of the state is heavily against that...including so called "progressives" that care so much about education and roads.
        
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      <![CDATA[Our school problems cannot be solved simply by throwing money at them.  There is something fundamentally wrong with the system and the people involved in it.  I was a teacher for many years and recently moved on to a career that does not necessarily pay better, but it does allow me to speak my mind and disagree with my superiors.  <br>
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Constant multiple choice testing limits options and creates mindless drones. We are no longer encouraging creativity or complex thinking. We just try to get them to pass the test so that we will not lose funding. The few teachers that still care are frustrated and tired. The system needs an overhaul.  Until this situation has been addressed, I would rather my money go toward something that builds community. <br>
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Did you know that each year many schools each throw out thousands of dollars of supplies and equipment after the end of the school year? This includes furniture, art supplies, library books, etc.? They are not allowed to sell it under current regulations, and must get rid of it before they get funding in those areas the next year.  There is a lot of dumpster diving at that time of year by those in the know. That is a great use of our tax dollars right there.<br>
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I personally enjoy the roads arguments, too. Stop driving your 4x4 with studded tires when its not snowing and maybe we wouldn't have to repave so much.<br>
        
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      <![CDATA[Oh look! Numbers!<br>
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<a href="http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2009/03/major_league_soccer_deal_reach.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.s&hellip;</a>
        
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      <![CDATA[Progressives like to act like government just plucks money from trees, but really they pluck it from us. My kid will be in school in a few years, and I'd rather spend the money on that then flashy public booddogles. You know they're canceling school days this year?<br>
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Another misinformed statement made by you Blabby. Simply untrue. Summer break for the kids has even been hit. PPS has added an extra day at the end.
        
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      <![CDATA[... And I think this is a wonderful representation of how good this can be for Portland. Thank you Mr. Evans.
        
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      <![CDATA[Not to ruin the fun of those opposed to Major League Soccer coming to Soccer City USA but if your argument is backed up by your knowledge of total money being spent, you are most likely uninformed. To the best of my knowledge neither the city or Shortstop LLC has released the final numbers or terms of this deal. I will not be assuming anything until it is official. I find it is a lot easier not to catch myself talk out of my ass this way.
        
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      <![CDATA[Anyone opposed to this project is a paid shill for the Blazers!  Clearly they stand to gain from MLS not coming to Portland.
        
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      <![CDATA[@huh?<br>
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Nope. I'm mostly leveraging my soccer dream on your childs education. I don't feel bad about that considering how much effort I've made for education in Portland and I really don't give two fraks about kids anymore. It's pointless...you'll never win that battle because the state essentially owns the education...luck to you sucka...I hear Nick Kahl has an open line when he's not getting wasted on Hawthorne or at a house party.
        
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      <![CDATA[Sheesh! Is there not a single soccer fan out there who understands financial feasibility? Get over it and come up with some other way to pay for your soccer dream.
        
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      <![CDATA["Yup, and too chicken to use their REAL name. Makes ya wonder what they're hiding, don't it?"<br>
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Dale, you do realize why this isn't really a legitimate debate tactic, yeah?
        
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      <![CDATA[I agree with Dale. 600 temporary construction jobs at $85 million means we're paying $142k per job. Does that make sense to anyone else?
        
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      <![CDATA[As a Portland native I hope this plan goes through. I have always thought Portland should and would support another pro team other than the Blazers.
        
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      <![CDATA[As a Portland native I hope this plan goes through. I have always thought Portland should and would support another pro team other than the Blazers.
        
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      <![CDATA[Wow, the last two posters really get what this is all about. How about not?<br>
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There's lots of people that care about MLS here, and not just within the Portland area, as I get questions about when Portland will join MLS because of the passion and energy we show in supporting our team. For some of us, it's a little more than just watching a game, but you have to be here to understand.<br>
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And the jobs here are real, not just fake minimum wage jobs, but jobs within the front office or doing other tasks for the team, but hey, I can understand if some folks here don't want to care to learn about the facts. They here $85 million and soccer, and because of pre-conceived notions, they immediately say it won't work. I say differently, based on what we can do here and now. I'm not a shill, I'm a soccer fan who wants a good deal for Portland for now and beyond.<br>
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But gee, with all the classy and intelligent commentary here, why would I want to hang around here any longer that I have to? Johnny may not be able to read or write, but he can sure make up a whole lot of shit without too much effort.
        
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      <![CDATA[Yup, and too chicken to use their REAL name. Makes ya wonder what they're hiding, don't it?
        
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      <![CDATA[Unfortunately Dale, the average Timbers supporter/construction shill doesn't seem to grasp that outside of the vaunted "Timbers army" no one in Oregon gives a fuck about MLS.
        
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      <![CDATA[Yup, six hundred temporary construction jobs, four hundred part-time concession jobs at minimum wage, and only costing YOU the  taxpayer eighty-five million dollars, NOT counting cost over-runs. What a Steal. Where can I get me some of that action. AND, Johnny still can't read or talk. And, if ya believe all the hype instead of the figures,where MLS lost an average of 1.6 million a year, NEVER call a hilbilly stupid again. IT JUST DON"T WASH, and that dog don't hunt.
        
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      <![CDATA[Hey Captain Haddock:<br>
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You missed the part where I said that ANY infrastructure project would help construction jobs, steel jobs, timber, etc.  It doesn't have to be the bad investment that MLS is.<br>
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I don't care whether it helps me personally - you clearly missed the part where I pointed out that everyone wants the same thing: what's best for Portland.  MLS is not best for Portland.  It's best for Timbers fans.
        
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      <![CDATA[It's a massive chicken and egg question with URD's Blabby and you know it.<br>
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The County estimates it would receive $20 million more tomorrow if you got rid of all URD's but would that $20 million in property taxes even be there if the URD's did not exist?  And how much money in income taxes, business taxes, permits etc went into County and State coffers as a result of jobs created by the construction boom, business fees etc as well as ongoing jobs.<br>
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On top of that the county stands to gain through long term property taxes for areas like the Pearl that were paying exactly $0 in property taxes 15 years ago because the area was empty warehouses and land.<br>
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I think we can agree that URD's should expire.  We can meet on common ground there but I have little sympathy for the County when they are refusing to disclose what the benefit on the other side of the ledger has been if there were never any URD's.<br>
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      <![CDATA[Correction:  It looks like out of 17 urban renewal districts in Portland's history, 6 have expired.
        
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      <![CDATA[Thanks for the clarification.  I hope the deal goes through on other grounds, but I hope a URD is not in the deal that gets voted on.
        
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      <![CDATA[That's $20 million a year, by the way.
        
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      <![CDATA[Captain:  "If the former, the normal recipients of the tax revenues would actually lose money over time because their funding would not increase with inflation."<br>
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That is the case.  The current tax base is frozen and not adjusted for inflation.  Urban Renewal is a good tool, but it has be handled with a lot of care, because of the cost to other jurisidictions.<br>
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The County for instance, who provide the vast amount of our social services have been frozen out of receiving new tax reveneu from large swaths of downtown for decades.  They haven't received the tax benefit of all the development in the Pearl, for example.  <br>
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Multnomah County estimates that if the UR districts were dissolved tomorrow, it would receive $20 million it does not receive now.<br>
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As someone who understands UR from the inside, I'm very alarmed with how it's used (abused) in the City of Portland.<br>
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My experience is not in this city, so I don't have all the details down, but since the 1950's I believe that Portland has set up 15 or 16 urban renewal districts, and only four have been allowed to expire.<br>
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They tend to be endlessly extended or expanded and the other districts never see the benefits come back to their coffers.
        
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      <![CDATA[Blabby, those financial details are those in the task force recommendation piece. I am certain that Paulson's team provided more detail that those sketched in the recommendation and I'm less certain, but still positive that the ongoing negotations between Leonard and Paulson contain more precision than that. That task force report was drafted 2 or 3 weeks ago now (time is slipping away from me). Since then, Paulson's group have been meeting over at City Hall on nearly a daily basis. It may be naive, but I'm taking it on faith that those hazy details would be more strikingly defined before a vote takes place.
        
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