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      <![CDATA[I read your initial comment thoroughly enough, GLV.  The theft issue makes it, most assuredly, apples to apples.  The Velibe bikes run at $3450 per bike (built to be ridden 6000 miles/year, and come with a maintenance contract, etc.).  Paris lost 15% of it's fleet in the first year, which corresponds to 99 bikes if it happened in Portland.  It would be cheaper to buy 2000 $150 bikes locally and just give them away, a la yellow bike.  This is nothing more than PDOT bike wonk resume fodder and nothing else.
        
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      <![CDATA["The program costs $4000 per bike, "<br>
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$4,000 includes start-up costs.  Replacing a lost bike once the program is up and running isn't going to cost $4,000.  A decent rental bike shouldn't cost more than $500; if they are actually proposing world-class racing bikes, then I agree this is a bad idea.   <br>
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"Besides, you fail to mention how these bikes are theft-proof,"<br>
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Zipcars aren't theft proof.  Nothing is theft proof.  Go back and read my initial comment.  My point was simply that protection from incidental or intentional damage from legitimate users is built into this program, unlike the yellow bike program; thus, comparisons between the two are apples-to-oranges.
        
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      <![CDATA[There's nothing clear about throwing around hypothetical dollar amounts.  The program costs $4000 per bike, significantly more than "like $500".  Besides, you fail to mention how these bikes are theft-proof, or throw-off-a-bridge-proof for that matter.  Do they have Lo-Jack?  Will a cadre of popo surround any prospective thief in the act?  I doubt it.
        
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      <![CDATA[I saw the system in Paris last month, worked great there.  I don't think the issue is about whether or not it will work in Portland if we did it right; I think the issue is whether or not we can afford to do it right.
        
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      <![CDATA["What prevents people from trashing their rented bikes and still getting their deposit back? "<br>
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Have you ever used Zipcar?  If you get in your car and its trashed or wrecked, you report it.  A fairly simple investigative process ensues, and the responsible party is held liable.  It's really not that complicated.
        
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      <![CDATA[No, we aren't clear, because most of the yellow bikes actually fell apart, turned to shit after actual use.  <br>
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What prevents people from trashing their rented bikes and still getting their deposit back?  We don't have the tudes that the Euro's seem to have for their public property.<br>
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Why not just subsidize people getting their own bikes, so that they take care of them, instead of this program that tourists will never use?  Shit, tourists still take cabs from the airport when they can take MAX at 1/10 the cost.
        
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      <![CDATA[People's lack of reading comprehension amazes me. Let's recap:<br>
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1) yellow bikes: Free, available to anyone at anytime, including homeless people who stole them and sold them for crack money and/or threw them off the Burnside Bridge.<br>
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2) This program: Like Zipcar, requires identification and a credit card, which will be charged something like $500 if a bike you rent disappears.<br>
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Are we clear?
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Andy Mesa]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[I just got back from a three month tour of Europe and used shared bikes in most of the major metropolitan areas I visited. In Copenhagen the bikes are free, but you have to put in a 20 DKK coin (about $4) as a deposit. Amsterdam, Stockholm, Oslo, Bruges, Ljubljana, all had huge populations of people riding shared bikes. It's a brilliant system that I hope Portland considers.
        
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      <![CDATA[Portland you are an asshole.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Chunty McHutchence]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[yeahhhh!<br>
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<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afE44cHNkEg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afE44cHNkEg</a>
        
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      <![CDATA[I just think that with this city's rank in unemployment and homelessness sharing bicycles is just another misprioritized solution in search of a problem.
        
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      <![CDATA[Things done wrong rarely work. So your first batch of homebrew became infected with wild yeast -- you can either cry into it or buy better sanitizer.
        
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      <![CDATA[It's never worked before. So it's gotta work THIS time.
        
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